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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Whatever. When it comes to stuff electrical, I am an expert. I have considerable trade, professional, and academic background in things electrical. That's why I can easily and confidently state that solar and wind are terrible choices for generating large quantities of electricity. I can also confidently state that nuclear is the way to go for base load and natural gas is best--at this time--for peaking power loading.
    Not in all cases.

    In mobile power systems, such as cars, locomotives, ships, or aircraft, kerosene, gasoline or diesel oil is the preferred fuel to generate electrical power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Self professed internets expert


    Are you trying to look this stupid
    He never said he was an internet expert. He said he is an electrical expert. I have no reason to not believe him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    lived in Saginaw as a boy, that's one fuckin cold state!

    climatologists have been saying since the get go that climate change causes extreme weather both hot and cold. but of course our mouth breathing friends on the right can't quite grasp that one, much too complicated
    They can't even define what 'extreme weather' is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello BartenderElite,



    Well, that's not all conservatives. The true conservatives do want to actually conserve:

    Conservatives for Responsible Stewardship (CRS) is a national nonprofit grassroots organization founded on the premise that environmental stewardship and natural resource conservation are inherently conservative, and that true conservatives endeavor to be good stewards of the natural systems and resources that sustain life on earth.

    "Safeguarding our air and water, our public lands, our wetlands and wildlife is, as Ronald Reagan accurately pointed out, “our great moral responsibility.” When conservatives fail to engage and take this obligation seriously, the solutions proposed come entirely from the left.

    America’s most enduring environmental protections have been shaped by conservative ideas. That same kind of stewardship is needed today. Help us put the CONSERVE back in conservatism!"

    It's the sad greedy ones who want to trash everything for the almighty dollar.
    What solutions? To what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello T. A. Gardner,



    Agreed with most of that, except I don't think natural gas is a good idea, as it creates CO2, pollution and earthquakes.
    Define 'pollution'. Describe how natural gas causes earthquakes.
    There is nothing wrong with CO2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    No theory is ever proven True. It is not possible to prove any theory True. Science does not use supporting evidence. Only religions do that. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
    NOT CORRECT. SCIENTIFIC FACT IS ESTABLISHED THROUGH SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

    FOR INSTANCE, WATER, IN ITS PURE FORM ,IS ALWAYS H2O.

    RUST ON IRON IS IRON OXIDE....

    CHEMISTRY IS CHOCK FULL OF PROVEN SCIENTIFIC THEORIES...NOW KNOWN AS SCIENTIFIC FACT...SO ARE NEARLY ALL OTHER SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES...IN ADDITION TO THEORIES THAT REMAIN UNPROVEN...LIKE .0004 LEVELS OF CO2 are "CHANGING THE CLIMIATE".



    STILL WAITING FOR THE THERMAL TEST , UTILIZING SCIENTIFIC METHOD, PROVING THE THERMAL RETENTION PROPERTIES OF .0004 ATMOSPHERIC CONCENTRATIONS OF CO2.

    THAT's SCIENCE...NOT.."WE ALL DECIDED TO AGREE WITH A CLAIM FOR POLITICAL/ECONOMIC REASONS"....


    BEEN WAITING FOR OVER 20 YEARS FOR A WARMIST TO PRODUCE IT....THEY CANNOT.
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Why on Earth would a nurse know -- or care -- about dentistry, other than as a patient?

    Post fail.
    Did you know dentists have nurses? Obviously not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Did you know dentists have nurses? Obviously not.
    YEP, DENTAL ASSISTANTS.


    AND ORAL SURGEONS (WHO ARE ALSO DENTISTS) HAVE SURGICAL NURSES...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    ]NOT CORRECT. SCIENTIFIC FACT IS ESTABLISHED THROUGH SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
    Science is not a method or a procedure. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. There is no such thing as a 'scientific method'.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    FOR INSTANCE, WATER, IN ITS PURE FORM ,IS ALWAYS H2O.
    By definition.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    RUST ON IRON IS IRON OXIDE....
    By definition.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    CHEMISTRY IS CHOCK FULL OF PROVEN SCIENTIFIC THEORIES
    No theory is ever proven True. It is not possible to prove any theory True.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    ...NOW KNOWN AS SCIENTIFIC FACT.
    Science is not facts. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    SO ARE NEARLY ALL OTHER SCIENTIFIC DISCIPLINES..
    Science isn't a discipline. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    IN ADDITION TO THEORIES THAT REMAIN UNPROVEN...
    No theory is ever proven True.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    LIKE .0004 LEVELS OF CO2 are "CHANGING THE CLIMIATE".
    It is not possible to measure the global CO2 concentration. CO2 is not uniformly distributed in the atmosphere. CO2 has no capability to warm the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing. See the 1st law of thermodynamics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    ]STILL WAITING FOR THE THERMAL TEST , UTILIZING SCIENTIFIC METHOD, PROVING THE THERMAL RETENTION PROPERTIES OF .0004 ATMOSPHERIC CONCENTRATIONS OF CO2.
    CO2 has mass like anything else. Like any mass, it has a heat index. It takes time to heat and cool it. These have been measured (they differ somewhat depending on whether the Co2 is a gas or solid). You can probably find them in various engineering charts or chemistry references on the web.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    THAT's SCIENCE...NOT.."WE ALL DECIDED TO AGREE WITH A CLAIM FOR POLITICAL/ECONOMIC REASONS"....
    Science is not measurement nor data. Science is not observation. Observation is not a proof nor a Universal Truth. All observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. Nothing more. Nothing less.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    BEEN WAITING FOR OVER 20 YEARS FOR A WARMIST TO PRODUCE IT....THEY CANNOT.
    The heat index value for CO2 has already been measured. You find references of today on engineering and chemistry reference websites and books.
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    This is a coordinated effort by the likes of the Guardian, Columbia School of Journalism and CNN to influence public opinion. I suspect that Reagan's Arsewipe is nothing more than a paid shill.

    https://coveringclimatenow.org/the-p...ate-emergency/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Why do you advocate government manipulation of energy markets? That's fascism.

    No. The real solution is to allow the energy market to run free. Capitalism.
    Because the cost of a nuclear plant is such that it needs government loan insurance backing it for investors to move forward. Government backs the loan against default then the banks and such can finance the project. Once built it is private sector owned and operated. That's just sometimes how it has to be.

    With wind and solar it is government subsidizing it so private industry will build it. Without heavy and continuous government subsidies, wind and solar would be market place losers and nobody would be building it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Not in all cases.

    In mobile power systems, such as cars, locomotives, ships, or aircraft, kerosene, gasoline or diesel oil is the preferred fuel to generate electrical power.
    For mobile power, if eliminating CO2 is a goal, then hydrogen or ammonia as a portable fuel is the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    The planet is heating up way too fast. It’s time for journalism to recognize that the climate emergency is here.

    This is a statement of science, not politics. Thousands of scientists—including James Hansen, the NASA scientist who put the problem on the public agenda in 1988, and David King and Hans Schellnhuber, former science advisers to the British and German governments, respectively — have said humanity faces a “climate emergency.”
    Scientific America is just quoting long time Al Gorian, James Hansen, ... not providing actual scientific evidence that it is an "emergency".
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    For mobile power, if eliminating CO2 is a goal, then hydrogen or ammonia as a portable fuel is the way to go.
    I prefer Biodiesel. The delivery infrastructure is already in place, and existing cars can be modified to use it for around $1500.
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