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    Yep ... get the plague shot ... but which one???

    If you have a "pre-existing condition ... maybe your chances of staying alive are better by NOT taking the shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Go to Italy


    America survived and these racist are about to go down
    America is a place where no matter which side is in control, fully half the nation is in virulent opposition.
    If you think that a nation with 50% of the people being ALWAYS pissed off is in position to survive, we strongly disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    There is a saying, "your rights end where my nose begins." It is your fist, and within reason, you can place it where ever, but if you place it against my nose, that is a violation of my rights. That is the "within reason" part of it.

    So if you body is infecting, and killing other people, those other people have rights too. They have the right to live.

    The case that speaks to this is Typhoid Mary. Mary was an Irish immigrant to the USA, who worked hard as a cook. She broke no law, and just wanted to work hard as a cook. She made wonderful desserts that her employers loved... And she infected them with typhoid. Apparently, she was highly contagious with typhoid, while suffering none of the symptoms herself. She refused to comply with quarantines, because she was not sick herself.

    Everyone who dealt with the case admitted it was an extreme case. Her freedom was taken away from her, even though she had personally done nothing wrong.
    that's not the case with covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    that's not the case with covid.
    Actually, that is a common case with Covid-19. It was almost unheard of with typhoid. Outside of Typhoid Mary, nobody was ever contagious without showing symptoms. A huge number of people are contagious without showing symptoms of Covid-19.

    More importantly, Covid-19 is contagious. That means that one person having it can infect others. If you have cancer, or heart troubles, that really will not effect me. If you chose not to treat, or prevent them, there is no direct effect on my health. But if you have a contagious disease, then it effects not just your health, but my health. It becomes a social problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Actually, that is a common case with Covid-19. It was almost unheard of with typhoid. Outside of Typhoid Mary, nobody was ever contagious without showing symptoms. A huge number of people are contagious without showing symptoms of Covid-19.

    More importantly, Covid-19 is contagious. That means that one person having it can infect others. If you have cancer, or heart troubles, that really will not effect me. If you chose not to treat, or prevent them, there is no direct effect on my health. But if you have a contagious disease, then it effects not just your health, but my health. It becomes a social problem.
    not nearly as... you're anti science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Same response applies.

    The "Love It or Leave It" argument is for intellectually deficient mutants.
    It could be argued that you could love it more if his type left.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    America is a place where no matter which side is in control, fully half the nation is in virulent opposition.
    If you think that a nation with 50% of the people being ALWAYS pissed off is in position to survive, we strongly disagree.
    I guess politicians finally proved that that melting pot theory was never valid.

    Or they facilitated it. One or the other.
    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    not nearly as... you're anti science.
    It is a proven fact that Covid-19 is contagious, and that the health of one person can effect others. There are questions about how contagious and when, but it is readily provable that pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic people can transmit it. Beyond that, obviously pre-symptomatic people become symptomatic, and can go on transmitting it.

    While symptoms many times help transmit a disease (a runny nose will transmit the cold), it also, in humans, warns others of the danger of contagion. We are seeing a rise in diseases that are transmittable by pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic infected people. The best example of this is the virus HIV which will show few to no symptoms for years, while it is being transmitted. Covid-19 appears to be another case of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
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    Yep ... get the plague shot ... but which one???

    If you have a "pre-existing condition ... maybe your chances of staying alive are better by NOT taking the shot.
    Young/young ish women have roughly the same odds of dying from side effects of the J&J shot as they do from the CCP virus.

    And they wonder there’s resistance to the Trump facilitated vaccines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    It is a proven fact that Covid-19 is contagious, and that the health of one person can effect others. There are questions about how contagious and when, but it is readily provable that pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic people can transmit it. Beyond that, obviously pre-symptomatic people become symptomatic, and can go on transmitting it.

    While symptoms many times help transmit a disease (a runny nose will transmit the cold), it also, in humans, warns others of the danger of contagion. We are seeing a rise in diseases that are transmittable by pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic infected people. The best example of this is the virus HIV which will show few to no symptoms for years, while it is being transmitted. Covid-19 appears to be another case of this.
    the morbidity is low, even with the monetarily incented overdiagnosis and citation as cause of death spuriously.

    it does not justify the level of rights abuse you want. sorry tyrant. your arguments are weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Once again, that might actually make sense, in extremely extreme situations. For instance, killing government agents in Nazi Germany began to make sense. I really do not see America as that extreme of a situation.

    What I think is happening is that you are extremely upset with the consequences of your personal decisions, and looking for someone to blame. Rather than going to community college to better your situation, you are talking about terrorism against the USA.
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA......what is it that you think you know about the consequences of my personal decisions? I'd love to hear your fantasies about how badly others are doing so you don't feel as badly about your own
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Actually, that is a common case with Covid-19. It was almost unheard of with typhoid. Outside of Typhoid Mary, nobody was ever contagious without showing symptoms. A huge number of people are contagious without showing symptoms of Covid-19.

    More importantly, Covid-19 is contagious. That means that one person having it can infect others. If you have cancer, or heart troubles, that really will not effect me. If you chose not to treat, or prevent them, there is no direct effect on my health. But if you have a contagious disease, then it effects not just your health, but my health. It becomes a social problem.
    A precedent was set with HIV.........if you KNEW you had it, THEN you could be prosecuted for spreading it. If you don't know you have something, you can't be prosecuted for a crime. people yelling about being asymptomatic are just scared for themselves or trying to control everyone.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Hmm then why is all of Central America coming here!
    Because your capitalist colonialism and especially your drug-providers, have made life there impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    MOVE THEN!
    Extraordinary that these sick peasants should DARE demand decent Americans should give up their country to ignorant, illiterate scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    A precedent was set with HIV
    Well the importance of testing is a major thing we learned from HIV. Guess what you are ordered to take when you enter the US military, an HIV test. Do you get to say no? Of course not.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    If you don't know you have something, you can't be prosecuted for a crime.
    Actually, willful ignorance at a workplace is sometimes considered a crime. It is a crime in many places not to get tested if you make pornos, or are a legal prostitute. It is a crime to refuse to get tested in the military.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    people yelling about being asymptomatic are just scared for themselves or trying to control everyone.
    Are you now denying that asymptomatic transmission of AIDS is happening?

    You live in an alternate universe of unicorns and fairies.

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