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    Quote Originally Posted by reagansghost View Post
    wait, British rule didn't exist over the Americans of the day? Or was Britain on this side of the Atlantic in those days?

    wtf are you talking about?
    where did you learn your history? WHERE DID YOU LEARN YOUR FUCKING HISTORY???????
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    STFU you moronic slut...you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about
    So you think the SCOTUS is not the final arbiter of defining the constitution



    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    So you think the SCOTUS is not the final arbiter of defining the constitution

    Really?
    NO, they are not the final arbiter. It's OUR document, not theirs, you moron
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    the framers had just won a war against a government that tried to 'regulate' their arms.....
    the framers used several definitions for 'well regulated', as evidence by numerous dictionaries
    at the time that the 2nd Amendment was written and ratified, 'well regulated' meant something OTHER than government regulated.
    The framers were concerned about a central government and their standing army denying each state their autonomy.....thus they were adamant about states keeping the people armed to prevent that
    statists, such as yourself, like to lie about the 2nd Amendment saying it was about a states right to have a government regulated national guard, but fail to take in to account Art. 1, Sec 10, paragraph 3........to whit

    "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

    so, in light of the NUMEROUS historical pieces of evidence that have been presented to this forum that the 2nd Amendment does NOT refer to government regulated forces, it's OBVIOUS that the 2nd Amendment was written to prohibit the new federal government from infringing on the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms......

    deny it,

    go


    Ok


    You can have muskets

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Ok

    You can have muskets
    FUCK OFF, ignorant whore. it says "ARMS", not muskets. Now, if you want to limit all police and military to muskets, you MIGHT, MIGHT, have a fucking point, but your slutty mouth has none........
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    America was a weak ass country and very vulnerable. The Brits burned Washington and the capitol down in 1812. We had no army except citizen soldiers, so we made sure they could have weapons. That is not the case now. We needed a well-regulated citizenry back then. We do not even need guns now. They make it a more dangerous place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    America was a weak ass country and very vulnerable. The Brits burned Washington and the capitol down in 1812. We had no army except citizen soldiers, so we made sure they could have weapons. That is not the case now. We needed a well-regulated citizenry back then. We do not even need guns now. They make it a more dangerous place.
    so admit that you're one of those that trusts the government more than the citizenry. An attitude the EXACT OPPOSITE of the founding fathers......in other words, Anti American
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    so admit that you're one of those that trusts the government more than the citizenry. An attitude the EXACT OPPOSITE of the founding fathers......in other words, Anti American
    Fuck yes i do. The bodies keep piling on the streets and in homes. The founding fathers did not keep weapons to fight against themselves, the guys who made the rules. How stupid is that? You are anti American and pro-blood on the streets. You have it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Fuck yes i do. The bodies keep piling on the streets and in homes. The founding fathers did not keep weapons to fight against themselves, the guys who made the rules. How stupid is that? You are anti American and pro-blood on the streets. You have it wrong.
    governments have killed over 200 MIILLION of its' citizens over the last 100 years...............you have a total misunderstanding of history.............
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    America was a weak ass country and very vulnerable. The Brits burned Washington and the capitol down in 1812. We had no army except citizen soldiers, so we made sure they could have weapons. That is not the case now. We needed a well-regulated citizenry back then. We do not even need guns now. They make it a more dangerous place.
    It pains me to disagree with a venerable forum sage such as yourself ... but I need to correct/explain some errors that I see ...

    1. The brits burned the US Capitol down in retalliation for the US forces burning the brit Capitol in Canada

    2. The United States Army is 245 years old ... being formed on ... June 14, 1775

    3. We needed a well regulated citizenry to protect the westard expansion of our nation

    4. We DO need guns NOW ... otherwise, only criminals would have guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    FUCK OFF, ignorant whore. it says "ARMS", not muskets. Now, if you want to limit all police and military to muskets, you MIGHT, MIGHT, have a fucking point, but your slutty mouth has none........
    What were the arms at the time it was written

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    so admit that you're one of those that trusts the government more than the citizenry. An attitude the EXACT OPPOSITE of the founding fathers......in other words, Anti American
    You don’t trust the citizenry


    You claim they cheat in elections

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    NO, they are not the final arbiter. It's OUR document, not theirs, you moron
    You might need a refresher on Constitutional Law...
    When I die, turn me into a brick and use me to cave in the skull of a fascist


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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    FUCK OFF, ignorant whore. it says "ARMS", not muskets. Now, if you want to limit all police and military to muskets, you MIGHT, MIGHT, have a fucking point, but your slutty mouth has none........
    Well, if you want to take an originalist approach to interpreting the Constitution, then you must agree that "ARMS" refers to the original definition of what was defined as "ARMS" in the 18th century, not the 21st century.

    The Constitution is either all originalist, or none of it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    What were the arms at the time it was written
    irrelevant
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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