America is losing its religion — and the effects will be long-lasting

[Wolverine]

You're the one defending it here.

You're the one who said it was "Southern Heritage".

When asked what "Southern Heritage" you mean, you draw a blank.

You could have just not responded.

Wouldn't say defending it, you asked if he was a Patriot! Said I didn't know him and that was the flag of the South according to you so!

[LV426]

Wouldn't say defending it, you asked if he was a Patriot!

And we both agree he's no patriot because he was waving a treason flag in the Capitol.

Said I didn't know him and that was the flag of the South according to you so!

It's not the flag of the South, it's the flag of the Confederacy....a separate country...one my country went to war with.

[Iolo/Penderyn]

I am not a religious man, I am a Christian! I swear no oaths! Trumpers? see you can't go one post without insult!

I thought the Trumpers were a legal fascist party. Is it insulting to mention ex-President Trump? Odd.

[PostmodernProphet]

Falsely accusing someone of lying is comical coming from you.

lol....except that what you said is there for everyone to see......why pretend it isn't.....

[Cypress]

lol....except that what you said is there for everyone to see......why pretend it isn't.....

I stand by everything I wrote in this thread, and I never intentionally lie

Meanwhile, speaking of blatant lying, you purposely edited out this part of my post and failed to address it >

"PMP, you are the dude who made a bet pledging to permanently leave this forum if Trump were impeached, and then you willfully and blatantly welched on your bet.

That ranks as the mother of all lies by message board standards"

[Wolverine]

I thought the Trumpers were a legal fascist party. Is it insulting to mention ex-President Trump? Odd.

Stop thinking I guess!

[Wolverine]

And we both agree he's no patriot because he was waving a treason flag in the Capitol.




It's not the flag of the South, it's the flag of the Confederacy....a separate country...one my country went to war with.

If you claim to be an American citizen, you would be warring against the Evil of both parties who engage us in quarreling, and steal us blind. Please do not pretend that either party has the interest of everyday citizens in mind!

[Wolverine]

I stand by everything I wrote in this thread, and I never intentionally lie

Meanwhile, speaking of blatant lying, you purposely edited out this part of my post and failed to address it >

Sorry, I do not buy that you never intentionally lie! I believe you just did intentionally lie!

[LV426]

If you claim to be an American citizen, you would be warring against the Evil of both parties who engage us in quarreling, and steal us blind. Please do not pretend that either party has the interest of everyday citizens in mind!

Stop.

This isn't BoThSiDeS.

This is YOUR SIDE unwilling to accept democracy or democratic principles because you're a bunch of underachieving sore losers who amounted to nothing, so you had to live vicariously through people like Trump.

Go fuck yourself.

[Cypress]

Sorry, I do not buy that you never intentionally lie
! I believe you just did intentionally lie!

false accusation is not very Christian.

I do not lie (present tense). I did not imply I have never lied (past tense) - as a kid, teenager, young man I definitely told some lies.

You seemingly confess that you sin, and willfully continue to sin uncontrollably, because God is just going to forgive you if you ask for absolution.

I choose a different path - a project of moral improvement, which includes the self discipline to reject lying.

The fact that eschewing intentional lying is unfathomable to you highlights that you are a phony Christian poseur.

Why do you not explain to me what possible reason or benefit there is in lying to anonymous message board posters I do not know and will never meet?

[Doc Dutch]

false accusation is not very Christian.

I said I do not lie (present tense). I did not say I never lied (past tense) - as a kid, teenager, young man I definitely told some lies.

You seemingly confess that you sin, and willfully continue to sin uncontrollably, because God is just going to forgive you if you ask for absolution.

I choose a different path - a project of moral improvement, which includes the self discipline to reject lying.

The fact that eschewing intentional lying is unfathomable to you highlights that you are a phony Christian poseur.

Why do you not explain to me what possible reason or benefit there is in lying to anonymous message board posters I do not know and will never meet?

Worse, a false accusation is breaking a Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness. How can a person consider themselves a Christian if they intentionally and repeatedly break both the Ten Commandments and all of Christ's teachings?

IMO, they can't be Christians except in name only due to their repeated deliberate and intentional actions which, they know, are contrary to all Christian teachings.

[Cypress]

Worse, a false accusation is breaking a Commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness. How can a person consider themselves a Christian if they intentionally and repeatedly break both the Ten Commandments and all of Christ's teachings?

IMO, they can't be Christians except in name only due to their repeated deliberate and intentional actions which, they know, are contrary to all Christian teachings.

There are a lot of fake Christians out there!

To be fair, I am withdrawing the claim the he falsely accused me. My original post could have been interpreted in more than one way, and I took the opportunity to expand on what I meant.

I have never been a fan of the claim that as long as you accept Jesus in your heart, all moral failings are excusable.

Even Luther did not think faith in Jesus gave one an excuse to be a jackass. Luther thought "good works" was a cop out in terms of salvation, because the reasons one would be doing good works would be based on self-interest and self-preservation...to avoid damnation. Luther thought self interest was the wrong reason for doing good works. While he thought good deeds and works did not play a role in salvation, he still thought the faithful, devout Christian would naturally gravitate to living an authentic Christian life based on good deeds, words, and actions.

[Doc Dutch]

There are a lot of fake Christians out there!

To be fair, I am withdrawing the claim the he falsely accused me. My original post could have been interpreted in more than one way, and I took the opportunity to expand on what I meant.

I have never been a fan of the claim that as long as you accept Jesus in your heart, all moral failings are excusable.

Even Luther did not think faith in Jesus gave one an excuse to be a jackass. Luther thought "good works" was a cop out in terms of salvation, because the reasons one would be doing good works would be based on self-interest and self-preservation...to avoid damnation. Luther thought self interest was the wrong reason for doing good works. While he thought good deeds and works did not play a role in salvation, he still thought the faithful, devout Christian would naturally gravitate to living an authentic Christian life based on good deeds, words, and actions.

Thanks for your honesty. That aside, Matt/Wolverine would need to do a lot of retractions to make up for his deliberate sins.

As for Luther and "good works", that gets into areas of religious dogma vs. following Christ's message(s).

[Wolverine]

Stop.

This isn't BoThSiDeS.

This is YOUR SIDE unwilling to accept democracy or democratic principles because you're a bunch of underachieving sore losers who amounted to nothing, so you had to live vicariously through people like Trump.

Go fuck yourself.

To immature to see the truth, that's on you! I refuse to engage in any of the go f yourself nonsense anymore!

[Wolverine]

You misrepresented what I said I do not sin that grace may abound! I am human and therefore a sinner, I try no to sin daily but will not lie and say I do not! I work daily to be a better Christ like person!

Moral improvement? so you are anti abortion now, be a good place to start! Anti coveting another good place!
You are trying to prop yourself up among people you do not know, so maybe you should ask yourself the question of why!

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.