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    Default America is losing its religion — and the effects will be long-lasting

    New surveys show Americans' membership in communities of worship has declined sharply in recent years, with less than 50% of the country belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque.

    Why it matters: The accelerating trend towards a more secular America represents a fundamental change in the national character, one that will have major ramifications for politics and even social cohesion.

    By the numbers: A Gallup poll released last week found just 47% of Americans reported belonging to a house of worship, down from 50% in 2018 and 70% as recently as 1999.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/america-l...093028404.html









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    This will make the extremist religious Reichwingers became even more energized to install their beliefs into our government.

    But in the end, secularism will triumph and the world will be better for it.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    This will make the extremist religious Reichwingers became even more energized to install their beliefs into our government.

    But in the end, secularism will triumph and the world will be better for it.
    Without religion mankind would generally be at war all the time in small wars of tribe against tribe or nations against nations.

    Our morality stems from and relies upon groups of people being committed to doing the right thing in proscribed ways and along similar lines of altruism and charity and honesty and benevolence that is shared by every religion. Without some people in the society maintaining that fire consistently and constantly and new people coming along to tend the fire as those before them did, we all would suffer a cold darkness.

    Think Lord of the Flies.

    You may not recognize religion's importance in your own life, but think about the effect religion has on softening our mistakes.

    With religion, I will wrestle with my Christian sense of morality before I screw my neighbor's wife. And I might not screw her at all because thou shall not covet they neighbor's wife.

    Without religion, I would shag her and wreck his family and when he comes at me in anger I might shoot him.

    Of course I posted a ridiculous example to lighten the post.

    But where religion plays a part of the society, the police have less to do because so many crimes are prevented by the religious community framework (priests, counselors, pastors, brethren, sisters in Christ and etc.) would 'catch' these things when they were thoughts and before they became illegal deeds.

    Remember John Adams said our Constitution was not meant for any but a moral and religious people.

    We are still moral but the level of Christianity is sliding.

    And I say that instead of making all religion banned, that we should work to return a sense of morality into our people. It would take a generation to achieve, I read. But it is better than having nutzo Dems trying to create a new Constitution to govern the dystopian Socialist Dictatorship.

    Project Mayhem, anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummie123 View Post
    Without religion mankind would generally be at war all the time in small wars of tribe against tribe or nations against nations.

    Our morality stems from and relies upon groups of people being committed to doing the right thing in proscribed ways and along similar lines of altruism and charity and honesty and benevolence that is shared by every religion. Without some people in the society maintaining that fire consistently and constantly and new people coming along to tend the fire as those before them did, we all would suffer a cold darkness.

    Think Lord of the Flies.

    You may not recognize religion's importance in your own life, but think about the effect religion has on softening our mistakes.

    With religion, I will wrestle with my Christian sense of morality before I screw my neighbor's wife. And I might not screw her at all because thou shall not covet they neighbor's wife.

    Without religion, I would shag her and wreck his family and when he comes at me in anger I might shoot him.

    Of course I posted a ridiculous example to lighten the post.

    But where religion plays a part of the society, the police have less to do because so many crimes are prevented by the religious community framework (priests, counselors, pastors, brethren, sisters in Christ and etc.) would 'catch' these things when they were thoughts and before they became illegal deeds.

    Remember John Adams said our Constitution was not meant for any but a moral and religious people.

    We are still moral but the level of Christianity is sliding.

    And I say that instead of making all religion banned, that we should work to return a sense of morality into our people. It would take a generation to achieve, I read. But it is better than having nutzo Dems trying to create a new Constitution to govern the dystopian Socialist Dictatorship.

    Project Mayhem, anyone?
    Excellent.
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    "The Scientific Revolution was a series of events that marked the emergence of modern science during the early modern period, when developments in mathematics, physics, astronomy, biology and chemistry transformed the views of society about nature. Wikipedia"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    "The Scientific Revolution was a series of events that marked the emergence of modern science during the early modern period, when developments in mathematics, physics, astronomy, biology and chemistry transformed the views of society about nature. Wikipedia"
    That’s the religion of scientism lol.

    That’s the rub—man is inherently religious. Christianity will just get a replacement religion. I doubt seriously it will end well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummie123 View Post
    Without religion mankind would generally be at war all the time in small wars of tribe against tribe or nations against nations.

    Our morality stems from and relies upon groups of people being committed to doing the right thing in proscribed ways and along similar lines of altruism and charity and honesty and benevolence that is shared by every religion. Without some people in the society maintaining that fire consistently and constantly and new people coming along to tend the fire as those before them did, we all would suffer a cold darkness.

    Think Lord of the Flies.

    You may not recognize religion's importance in your own life, but think about the effect religion has on softening our mistakes.

    With religion, I will wrestle with my Christian sense of morality before I screw my neighbor's wife. And I might not screw her at all because thou shall not covet they neighbor's wife.

    Without religion, I would shag her and wreck his family and when he comes at me in anger I might shoot him.

    Of course I posted a ridiculous example to lighten the post.

    But where religion plays a part of the society, the police have less to do because so many crimes are prevented by the religious community framework (priests, counselors, pastors, brethren, sisters in Christ and etc.) would 'catch' these things when they were thoughts and before they became illegal deeds.

    Remember John Adams said our Constitution was not meant for any but a moral and religious people.

    We are still moral but the level of Christianity is sliding.

    And I say that instead of making all religion banned, that we should work to return a sense of morality into our people. It would take a generation to achieve, I read. But it is better than having nutzo Dems trying to create a new Constitution to govern the dystopian Socialist Dictatorship.

    Project Mayhem, anyone?


    --->"Age of Enlightenment
    The Age of Enlightenment was an intellectual and philosophical movement that dominated the world of ideas in Europe during the 17th and 18th centuries.Wikipedia"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    --->"Age of Enlightenment
    The Age of Enlightenment was an intellectual and philosophical movement that dominated the world of ideas in Europe during the 17th and 18th centuries.Wikipedia"
    Thanks for that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummie123 View Post
    Without religion mankind would generally be at war all the time in small wars of tribe against tribe or nations against nations.

    Our morality stems from and relies upon groups of people being committed to doing the right thing in proscribed ways and along similar lines of altruism and charity and honesty and benevolence that is shared by every religion. Without some people in the society maintaining that fire consistently and constantly and new people coming along to tend the fire as those before them did, we all would suffer a cold darkness.

    Think Lord of the Flies.

    You may not recognize religion's importance in your own life, but think about the effect religion has on softening our mistakes.

    With religion, I will wrestle with my Christian sense of morality before I screw my neighbor's wife. And I might not screw her at all because thou shall not covet they neighbor's wife.

    Without religion, I would shag her and wreck his family and when he comes at me in anger I might shoot him.

    Of course I posted a ridiculous example to lighten the post.

    But where religion plays a part of the society, the police have less to do because so many crimes are prevented by the religious community framework (priests, counselors, pastors, brethren, sisters in Christ and etc.) would 'catch' these things when they were thoughts and before they became illegal deeds.

    Remember John Adams said our Constitution was not meant for any but a moral and religious people.

    We are still moral but the level of Christianity is sliding.

    And I say that instead of making all religion banned, that we should work to return a sense of morality into our people. It would take a generation to achieve, I read. But it is better than having nutzo Dems trying to create a new Constitution to govern the dystopian Socialist Dictatorship.

    Project Mayhem, anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post



    This is about it.

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    Here, this is what some real stupid people do:


    "The Thirty Years’ War was a 17th-century religious conflict fought primarily in central Europe. It remains one of the longest and most brutal wars in human history, with more than 8 million casualties resulting from military battles as well as from the famine and disease caused by the conflict. The war lasted from 1618 to 1648, starting as a battle among the Catholic and Protestant states that formed the Holy Roman Empire."
    https://www.history.com/topics/refor...irty-years-war

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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post

    Christians have matured since those days. The only religion still at that violent stage is Islam.

    Why don't you give credit where credit is due instead of impugning the religion which is no longer going on Crusades?

    I think your reluctance to criticize Islam tells us which religion you think should be feared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummie123 View Post
    Christians have matured since those days. The only religion still at that violent stage is Islam.

    Why don't you give credit where credit is due instead of impugning the religion which is no longer going on Crusades?

    I think your reluctance to criticize Islam tells us which religion you think should be feared.
    You should be leery of all religions.
    Don't be afraid to see what you see

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    This will make the extremist religious Reichwingers became even more energized to install their beliefs into our government.

    But in the end, secularism will triumph and the world will be better for it.
    Cultural wars don't end with changed hearts, Owl.

    They end in partition [my preferred solution],
    genocide [hopefully nobody's preferred solution],
    or they don't end at all.

    Political polarization may diminish as politics evolve.
    Cultural polarization is forever from what history tells us.

    People either separate from one another, get wiped out, or keep fighting forever.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
    Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969

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