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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post

    Christians have matured since those days. The only religion still at that violent stage is Islam.

    Why don't you give credit where credit is due instead of impugning the religion which is no longer going on Crusades?

    I think your reluctance to criticize Islam tells us which religion you think should be feared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummie123 View Post
    Christians have matured since those days. The only religion still at that violent stage is Islam.

    Why don't you give credit where credit is due instead of impugning the religion which is no longer going on Crusades?

    I think your reluctance to criticize Islam tells us which religion you think should be feared.
    You should be leery of all religions.
    Why Trump? Because Fuck You that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by signalmankenneth View Post
    New surveys show Americans' membership in communities of worship has declined sharply in recent years, with less than 50% of the country belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque.

    Why it matters: The accelerating trend towards a more secular America represents a fundamental change in the national character, one that will have major ramifications for politics and even social cohesion.

    By the numbers: A Gallup poll released last week found just 47% of Americans reported belonging to a house of worship, down from 50% in 2018 and 70% as recently as 1999.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/america-l...093028404.html








    Actually at dogging and contradicting the U.S., what nation Earth has the prefect form of religion, especially when it comes to faith with the Almighty? Speaking lies all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    You should be leery of all religions.
    Organized Religion
    Nosam

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    This will make the extremist religious Reichwingers became even more energized to install their beliefs into our government.

    But in the end, secularism will triumph and the world will be better for it.
    Cultural wars don't end with changed hearts, Owl.

    They end in partition [my preferred solution],
    genocide [hopefully nobody's preferred solution],
    or they don't end at all.

    Political polarization may diminish as politics evolve.
    Cultural polarization is forever from what history tells us.

    People either separate from one another, get wiped out, or keep fighting forever.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Christianity is losing favor because there are so many bad ambassadors for Christianity.

    Rightwing evangelicals worshipping Donald Trumpf telegraphs to everyone else that flavor of evangelicalism is hypocritical and morally bankrupt.

    Everyone admires the faith of Jimmy and Roslyn Carter because it is a bedrock of humility, social justice, morality.

    Christianity needs good ambassadors. It does not need to worry about what percentage of the nation it is.
    Hear, hear.

    Your point about the Carters is the perfect illustration of why Xtianity is dying in this country at the hands of the evangelicals. They prefer a faux "strong man" like #TRE45ON, who is as much a Christian as I am a Corvette. They see true Christians like the Carters as weak and puny. It's much the same way that the Romans at first saw Christ -- He was weak and puny compared to their robust, war-like, lusty gods and goddesses.
    “Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.” -- Gandhi

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Cultural wars don't end with changed hearts, Owl.

    They end in partition [my preferred solution],
    genocide [hopefully nobody's preferred solution],
    or they don't end at all.

    Political polarization may diminish as politics evolve.
    Cultural polarization is forever from what history tells us.

    People either separate from one another, get wiped out, or keep fighting forever.
    Other than all the issues with the Muslim refugees/immigrants, Europe seems to have suffered few ill effects from becoming more secular.

    Do you see the United States separating and becoming more than one country?
    “Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.” -- Gandhi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mason? View Post
    Organized Religion
    Yep. People in groups are far more dangerous than individuals.
    “Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.” -- Gandhi

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Hear, hear.
    They prefer a faux "strong man" like #TRE45ON, who is as much a Christian as I am a Corvette.
    Owl isn't lying.
    I've actually got a Corvette--a fully restored 1962--
    but Miss Owl remains out of my reach.
    I could probably attract Arby with the car, but I pass on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    There are perfectly logical and even self interest reason to be good to others


    We need to teach all humans those reasons


    No matter what their beliefs are


    I love me some Carlin
    Agreed. Respect for others is part of unity. Obviously not everyone on JPP believes this to be true.

    George Carlin was great. Like South Park, nothing was sacred and I liked that. Even atheist LWLs have sacred cows and watching them clutch their pearls is as much fun as watching the RWNJs clutch theirs.
    Stripping Americans of their rights, regardless if inalienable or unenumerated, is against American ideals

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    I would be happy with no Christians.
    Of course you would. You're part of the Asshat Legion which hates everyone.
    Stripping Americans of their rights, regardless if inalienable or unenumerated, is against American ideals

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Other than all the issues with the Muslim refugees/immigrants, Europe seems to have suffered few ill effects from becoming more secular.

    Do you see the United States separating and becoming more than one country?
    I'm personally a Catholic by ethnicity, not faith. I turned to secular humanism by high school age.
    I believe the New Testament has some good advice in it, but that advice isn't apparently "over" with Christians.

    My dream is Middle American remaining "United" to their hearts' content,
    while the Northeast becomes The Atlantic States of America
    and the West Coast [plus Hawaii but probably not Alaska] become/becomes The Pacific States of America.

    That's a fantasy. I've no expectations of it happening in my lifetime.
    I do believe, however, we'd all get along much better as neighbors and trading partners who aren't writing one another's laws and tax codes.
    Because Owl, it takes staggering imagination to see any compatibility between the factions in our cultural divide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Christianity is losing favor because there are so many bad ambassadors for Christianity.

    Rightwing evangelicals worshipping Donald Trumpf telegraphs to everyone else that flavor of evangelicalism is hypocritical and morally bankrupt.

    Everyone admires the faith of Jimmy and Roslyn Carter because it is a bedrock of humility, social justice, morality.

    Christianity needs good ambassadors. It does not need to worry about what percentage of the nation it is.
    Most respectful people, regardless of religious beliefs, are too busy with their own lives to worry about telling others how to live. Religious extremism is tied to political extremism since both seek to dominate and impose their beliefs onto others.

    The "bad ambassadors" are those kinds of people. We see those kinds of people all over JPP and in protests where violence is involved. It's not a Christian thing per se, but there are certainly a lot of self-labeled Christians spreading hate and authoritarianism both on JPP and in Washington DC.
    Stripping Americans of their rights, regardless if inalienable or unenumerated, is against American ideals

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    I once struggled with the religion thing. Bombarded as we are with the messages that we should believe in this story. But that's all it is, really. Oh, and just to make sure you believe, part of the story is that horrible things will happen to you if you don't believe. Carlin got it right.

    I was afraid to be true to my disbelief for a long time. Gradually, I decided that it was OK. Finally, I was free of the guilt of doubting it. And the fear. Free to say out loud what I suspected for a long time. That we really do not know how we got here.

    And I can tell you honestly, after many many years of disbelief, that there is a perfectly good life without that heavy ominous weight. It is a freedom to accept that this life is the only one we will know, that after it is done one simply ceases to exist. Just like any other animal.

    Because that's all we really are.

    Lately, Christianity has become more and more at odds with science and reality. It has become a greater and greater leap of faith to follow. So I am not surprised to see people running from it. Now, I know that many who no longer belong to organized religion still hold their beliefs. That is their right. It is not for me or any person to say what others should believe. And that is exactly why churches are going out of fashion.
    Disagreed on several points. The main one being that the world isn't Black & White. One doesn't have to be a foaming-at-the-mouth "Christian" or a staunch, religion-hating atheist.

    There's religious dogma, militant atheism and a panoply of spiritual beliefs in between. Science covers the Natural Universe. Where science conflicts with religious dogma, then science is correct because it's provable.

    OTOH, science doesn't cover everything and that is the realm of faith. An atheist who declares that doesn't exist is an example of a person going on faith, not science.

    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    STFU!
    There's a JPP Christian!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Religious extremism is tied to political extremism since both seek to dominate and impose their beliefs onto others.
    They're just barely related.
    Religious extremism is exclusive to the cultural war.
    Political extremism is a made up concept that each side of the cultural war attributes to the other.

    The entirety of sanity, intellectualism, and morality combined are regarded as political extremism to you, Oom,
    so your opinion must be considered with that in mind.

    Keep seeking that "middle" that exists only in your imagination, Oom.
    What a shame. The Dutch people in the Netherlands seem to be smart.
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