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    Default Church membership is in a freefall, and the Christian right has only themselves to

    blame

    Blame the religious right. Until recently, the U.S. was largely unaffected by the increasing secularization of many European countries, but that started to change dramatically at the turn of the 21st century. And it's no mystery why. The drop in religious affiliation starts right around the time George W. Bush was elected president, publicly and dramatically associating himself with the white evangelical movement. The early Aughts saw the rise of megachurches with flashily dressed ministers who appeared more interested in money and sermonizing about people's sex lives than modeling values of charity and humility.

    Not only were these religious figures and the institutions they led hyper-political, the outward mission seemed to be almost exclusively in service of oppressing others. The religious right isn't nearly as interested in feeding the hungry and sheltering the homeless as much as using religion as an all-purpose excuse to abuse women and LGBTQ people. In an age of growing wealth inequalities, with more and more Americans living hand-to-mouth, many visible religious authorities were using their power to support politicians and laws to take health care access from women and fight against marriage between same-sex couples. And then Donald Trump happened.

    Trump was a thrice-married chronic adulterer who routinely exposed how ignorant he was of religion, and who reportedly — and let's face it, obviously — made fun of religious leaders behind their backs. But religious right leaders didn't care. They continually pumped Trump up like he was the second coming, showily praying over him and extorting their followers to have faith in a man who literally could not have better conformed to the prophecies of the christians antichrist. It was comically over the top, how extensively Christian right leaders exposed themselves as motivated by power, not faith.

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, then, Gallup's numbers show numbers of religiously affiliated Americans taking a nosedive during the Trump years, dropping from 55% of Americans belonging to a church to 47%.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ch...me/ar-BB1ffrVh
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    atheists have been predicting the decline of the church for 2000 years...there's only 3.5B of us left...meanwhile atheists are still afraid to admit their religious beliefs in public......
    Isaiah 6:5
    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Let's hope secularization is just one of many modern ideas that w learn from Europe.
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    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
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    Default This is a job for a autistic person.

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    fake jews like guano are endangered most are becoming radical Muslims in prison

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    Maybe old abandoned churches could be refashioned as restaurants.

    "Oh, the food here is devine!"
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    Brand new temple and church here....hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    blame

    Blame the religious right. Until recently, the U.S. was largely unaffected by the increasing secularization of many European countries, but that started to change dramatically at the turn of the 21st century. And it's no mystery why. The drop in religious affiliation starts right around the time George W. Bush was elected president, publicly and dramatically associating himself with the white evangelical movement. The early Aughts saw the rise of megachurches with flashily dressed ministers who appeared more interested in money and sermonizing about people's sex lives than modeling values of charity and humility.

    Not only were these religious figures and the institutions they led hyper-political, the outward mission seemed to be almost exclusively in service of oppressing others. The religious right isn't nearly as interested in feeding the hungry and sheltering the homeless as much as using religion as an all-purpose excuse to abuse women and LGBTQ people. In an age of growing wealth inequalities, with more and more Americans living hand-to-mouth, many visible religious authorities were using their power to support politicians and laws to take health care access from women and fight against marriage between same-sex couples. And then Donald Trump happened.

    Trump was a thrice-married chronic adulterer who routinely exposed how ignorant he was of religion, and who reportedly — and let's face it, obviously — made fun of religious leaders behind their backs. But religious right leaders didn't care. They continually pumped Trump up like he was the second coming, showily praying over him and extorting their followers to have faith in a man who literally could not have better conformed to the prophecies of the christians antichrist. It was comically over the top, how extensively Christian right leaders exposed themselves as motivated by power, not faith.

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, then, Gallup's numbers show numbers of religiously affiliated Americans taking a nosedive during the Trump years, dropping from 55% of Americans belonging to a church to 47%.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ch...me/ar-BB1ffrVh

    A number of causes for this decline. Younger people are less likely to join a church. And the right wing has dominated religious institutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletbob View Post
    fake jews like guano are endangered most are becoming radical Muslims in prison
    ^ subhuman dirtbag and yes we Jews do look down on your kind bobb
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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    atheists have been predicting the decline of the church for 2000 years...there's only 3.5B of us left...meanwhile atheists are still afraid to admit their religious beliefs in public......
    Why would non believers be afraid to state their beliefs in public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    atheists have been predicting the decline of the church for 2000 years...there's only 3.5B of us left...meanwhile atheists are still afraid to admit their religious beliefs in public......
    And they are correct


    Organized religions grabs for power has helped it happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Brand new temple and church here....hmmm
    Adorable dog dude


    I’m sure he’s a better man than you even if it’s a female

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    Adorable dog dude


    I’m sure he’s a better man than you even if it’s a female
    She's great...very happy here

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    Part of it might be the "halo effect," with people faking their religious devotions. Long ago, in a book titled "Cherished Myths and Lies in American History," it is claimed that at no time has anything close to a majority of people attended churches regularly. They lied about it on surveys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Controlled Opposition View Post
    Part of it might be the "halo effect," with people faking their religious devotions. Long ago, in a book titled "Cherished Myths and Lies in American History," it is claimed that at no time has anything close to a majority of people attended churches regularly. They lied about it on surveys.
    The Christmas crowd. We go to church regularly...every Christmas.

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