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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    “This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically ‘woke’ and all that stuff,”
    Mr. Obama said. “You should get over that quickly.”

    “The world is messy; there are ambiguities,” he continued. “People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and share certain things with you.”

    I do get a sense sometimes now among certain young people, and this is accelerated by social media, there is this sense sometimes of: ‘The way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people,’” he said, “and that’s enough.”

    “Like, if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb,” he said, “then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself, cause, ‘Man, you see how woke I was, I called you out.’”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/31/u...l-culture.html
    I agree, being awake is, at least in part, about knowing yourself. I have racist ideas and tendencies, the difference is that I try to not act on them, and I work to do better.

    To me trying to do better, is as close to be 'woke' as a person can be.

    The worst thing a person can do is decide that they cant do better so they are just going to stay racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Kind of like lebron james complaining america is a "systemically" racist country.
    IN many ways it is, pretending differently is ignoring reality. Its not awake to reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by **Brad View Post
    I hear Trumppers complaining laughing about people they call “Woke”.
    Edited for accuracy.

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    Current event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by **Brad View Post
    IN many ways it is.
    Is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by **Brad View Post
    Its funniest coming from those who consider themselves elite.
    Who would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    IN many ways it is, pretending differently is ignoring reality. Its not awake to reality.
    When you and lebron repeat a lie often enough it can actually start to seem true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I hear Trumppers complaining about people they call “Woke”.

    The way I understand it, if a person tries to be aware of others, their needs and feelings, and tries to behave in a considerate way toward others, they are “Woke”.

    Somehow that’s an insult?
    Good point. Call me that all you like; it's a trait that my mom installed in all of us kids. I'm proud of it, and feel bad when I occasionally fail at being considerate and cognizant of someone else's feelings.
    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain

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    So, here is the problem with the Conservative message, you dont clarify.

    I agree with Anatta and Cawacko when they explain the deeper meaning of the complaints, but you go around and attack people for being Elite or Woke and it sounds like pure anti-intellectualism and the opposite of what you mean.

    It gives a racist or bigot cover, to justify their acting out on racism or bigotry against those who are elite at something. It leads to things like the January 6th insurrection. Can you see that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    When you and lebron repeat a lie often enough it can actually start to seem true.
    We are just going to have to disagree on that, but having a different opinion than you does not mean I am pretending to be 'woke', I simply believe America still has vestiges of racism in our system and that we can do better, you disagree. That is okay, it does not justify attacking me for believing what I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    So, here is the problem with the Conservative message, you dont clarify.

    I agree with Anatta and Cawacko when they explain the deeper meaning of the complaints, but you go around and attack people for being Elite or Woke and it sounds like pure anti-intellectualism and the opposite of what you mean.

    It gives a racist or bigot cover, to justify their acting out on racism or bigotry against those who are elite at something. It leads to things like the January 6th insurrection. Can you see that?
    Jarod, it is 2021. Did you just learn the term woke? What kind of bubble have you been living in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Good point. Call me that all you like; it's a trait that my mom installed in all of us kids. I'm proud of it, and feel bad when I occasionally fail at being considerate and cognizant of someone else's feelings.
    I don't encourage feeling badly about it, but I do encourage trying to do better. Making fun of those of us who do try to do better is a great example of why systematic racism still exists in our nation.

    They need to stop calling people names just for trying to be better people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I am not against challenging them, obviously I challenge them for a living. Are you saying that there is nothing wrong with being elite, but we should be encouraged to challenge them?


    I WHOLEHARTEDLY AGREE!

    I just keep hearing a different sentiment expressed, which is a base attack on "the elite" for being elite. Its funniest coming from those who consider themselves elite.
    People in San Francisco attack the tech elite all the time (even though most of this tech elite is politically liberal). So why are liberals attacking other elite liberals for being the best at what they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Jarod, it is 2021. Did you just learn the term woke? What kind of bubble have you been living in?
    Ive heard it for a long time. Why do you ask? Just chose today to discuss why its an insult to those who use it as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    People in San Francisco attack the tech elite all the time (even though most of this tech elite is politically liberal). So why are liberals attacking other elite liberals for being the best at what they do?
    I dont know, you would have to ask someone who does it. I am not sure you are correct the tech elite are mostly liberals, I have always understood that silicon valley is a very conservative voting area. Am I wrong, you would know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    Ive heard it for a long time. Why do you ask? Just chose today to discuss why its an insult to those who use it as such.
    Because you woke up morning in 2021 and thought, "geez, I wonder what this woke movement is all about...?"

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