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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    There won't be anywhere near that many deaths with our without vaccines, shutdowns, masks or social distancing.

    So you said 500,000/29,000,000 = .0172 and I said it was .018 and your losing control of your bowels? Go back to fucking your mother.
    No, you said it was .018% which is .00018. It seems you don't know 6th grade math.

    But you seem to be good at 5th grade playground name calling so you do have that going for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Well, because PCR tests were over cycled for so long our data sucks.

    As in every bit of it. IOW, your calculations are no better than the data they are derived from.
    And your claim is no better than your data. Let's see your evidence of PCR tests being over cycled and how it affected any numbers?

    Simple fact of the matter is that the data for deaths is confirmed on several fronts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    And your claim is no better than your data. Let's see your evidence of PCR tests being over cycled and how it affected any numbers?

    Simple fact of the matter is that the data for deaths is confirmed on several fronts.
    I’m not here to keep you up to date on current events.

    The WHO recently put out PCR testing guidelines that stipulated a lower number of cycles. Why? Because the tests were being over cycled and when PCR tests are over cycled they can produce false positives. The WHO didn’t step in just for giggles, they did it to improve the data.

    The only question is how much of the previous data was corrupted. It’s not a question of if—it’s only a question of numbers and how much.

    You may have noticed a steep drop off in cases...well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I’m not here to keep you up to date on current events.

    The WHO recently put out PCR testing guidelines that stipulated a lower number of cycles. Why? Because the tests were being over cycled and when PCR tests are over cycled they can produce false positives. The WHO didn’t step in just for giggles, they did it to improve the data.

    The only question is how much of the previous data was corrupted. It’s not a question of if—it’s only a question of numbers and how much.

    You may have noticed a steep drop off in cases...well.
    Thanks for sharing your latest conspiracy theory. Does that WHO work out of the basement of a Pizza Parlor?


    The World Health Organization did not stipulate a lower number of cycles. The World Health Organization did not state that when PCR tests are over cycled they produce false positives.

    https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05
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    I do not find wearing a mask is so arduous. They are readily available. It shows you accept that others may be very serious about masking. It is a consideration. The medical profession and all the pandemic pros say masking helps. Tucker says they don't. The rightys say they don't. A recent study says masking cuts the infection rate by 2 or 3 percent.
    I do not think it is difficult to pick a side in this. Experts v conspiracy nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Thanks for sharing your latest conspiracy theory. Does that WHO work out of the basement of a Pizza Parlor?


    The World Health Organization did not stipulate a lower number of cycles. The World Health Organization did not state that when PCR tests are over cycled they produce false positives.

    https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05
    Right here:

    Users of IVDs must read and follow the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is recommended by the manufacturer.

    WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology. [previous link]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Right here:

    Users of IVDs must read and follow the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is recommended by the manufacturer.

    WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology. [previous link]
    Yes. And? It doesn't say what you claimed it said.
    It doesn't stipulate a lower number of cycles. It says to follow manufacturer instructions.
    It doesn't say the tests have been overcycled. It says to follow the manufacturer instructions
    It doesn't say overcycled tests have resulted in a number of false positives. It says to follow the manufacturers instructions.

    Users of IVDs must read and follow the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is recommended by the manufacturer. Lab technicians should follow manufacturers instructions. Seems pretty simple.

    WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). Simply reiterates that weak positive results need careful interpretation. At no time says that weak positives have been misinterpreted in the past. The referenced Sars report says when questionable results occur the patient should be resampled and retested. This says nothing about reducing the number of cycles. It says nothing about too many cycles were used in the past.

    The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Since the detection is inverse to the viral load follow the manufacturers instructions for determining positivity threshold. Says nothing about any tests having been overcycled. Says nothing about the need to reduce the number of cycles. It says to follow the manufacturers instructions to determine if there needs to be a manual adjustment.

    Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.Says nothing about false positives being counted as positives. Reiterates the need to do more testing if results look false.



    Thanks for playing "Darth Omar can't read worth shit." Your interpretation of this would mean every time a teacher before a test tells their students to keep their eyes on their own tests it means that the majority of test takers have cheated. Explaining the rules doesn't mean that everyone in the past violated the rules.

    So here is your claim -

    The WHO recently put out PCR testing guidelines that stipulated a lower number of cycles. Why? Because the tests were being over cycled and when PCR tests are over cycled they can produce false positives. The WHO didn’t step in just for giggles, they did it to improve the data.
    3 claims on your part that are all false or misleading.
    1. False - WHO says nothing about stipulating a lower number of cycles.
    2. False - WHO says nothing about tests being overcycled
    3. Half truth -WHO says more cycles are needed to detect a smaller viral load so weak positives require careful interpretation. It does not say overcycling produces false positives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Yes. And? It doesn't say what you claimed it said.
    It doesn't stipulate a lower number of cycles. It says to follow manufacturer instructions.
    It doesn't say the tests have been overcycled. It says to follow the manufacturer instructions
    It doesn't say overcycled tests have resulted in a number of false positives. It says to follow the manufacturers instructions.

    Users of IVDs must read and follow the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is recommended by the manufacturer. Lab technicians should follow manufacturers instructions. Seems pretty simple.

    WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). Simply reiterates that weak positive results need careful interpretation. At no time says that weak positives have been misinterpreted in the past. The referenced Sars report says when questionable results occur the patient should be resampled and retested. This says nothing about reducing the number of cycles. It says nothing about too many cycles were used in the past.

    The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Since the detection is inverse to the viral load follow the manufacturers instructions for determining positivity threshold. Says nothing about any tests having been overcycled. Says nothing about the need to reduce the number of cycles. It says to follow the manufacturers instructions to determine if there needs to be a manual adjustment.

    Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.Says nothing about false positives being counted as positives. Reiterates the need to do more testing if results look false.



    Thanks for playing "Darth Omar can't read worth shit." Your interpretation of this would mean every time a teacher before a test tells their students to keep their eyes on their own tests it means that the majority of test takers have cheated. Explaining the rules doesn't mean that everyone in the past violated the rules.

    So here is your claim -


    3 claims on your part that are all false or misleading.
    1. False - WHO says nothing about stipulating a lower number of cycles.
    2. False - WHO says nothing about tests being overcycled
    3. Half truth -WHO says more cycles are needed to detect a smaller viral load so weak positives require careful interpretation. It does not say overcycling produces false positives.
    The NYT made that claim back in July, so you have a problem with them. No point in shooting the messenger.

    According to one of your own approved sources, PCR tests were being over cycled and producing up to 90% false positives in some instances.

    Why did the WHO or the CDC or Fauci or someone/anyone, wait so damned long on spreading the word?

    The reason the WHO recommended lab technicians follow the manufacture recommendations on PCR cycles *is because they were being over cycled to produce a high rate of false positives*. So, shortly after the Big Guy was installed the WHO sent out their carefully constructed memo on testing guidelines.

    Seems simple enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    The NYT made that claim back in July, so you have a problem with them. No point in shooting the messenger.

    According to one of your own approved sources, PCR tests were being over cycled and producing up to 90% false positives in some instances.

    Why did the WHO or the CDC or Fauci or someone/anyone, wait so damned long on spreading the word?

    The reason the WHO recommended lab technicians follow the manufacture recommendations on PCR cycles *is because they were being over cycled to produce a high rate of false positives*. So, shortly after the Big Guy was installed the WHO sent out their carefully constructed memo on testing guidelines.

    Seems simple enough.
    So you have no evidence. OK. Got it. Thanks for the conspiracy theory. Do you also supply tinfoil hats?
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    Shots will not help immediately. I got my first one wed. They said it takes about 4 to 6 weeks before it works well. It operates at the DNA level .https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-l...b6218b42ea3760 I don't understand the concept of a messenger at the DNA level instructing your body to create antibodies against a virus it has not encountered. There were hundreds of people there, all masked and all getting shots.

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