You're an essential worker but not worth $15 per hour minimum wage

[Stone]

you're partially right. but the establishment is now more than ever opposed to enncouraging clear thought in any capacity. they really would subsidize fast food first. just like they'd rather throw money at insurance companies before encouraging eating less carbs and sugar.

I think the min wage does need to come up.

I wouldnt care if it came up. Its not like Im against it. But when it does I want it to actually make an impact on low wage earners lives. Not just be a thing where they have a few more bucks to blow foolishly. Use it for good. Save as much as possible.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Looked him up. Financial advice guy. Seems good. Problem is.........there should be no need for any Dave Ramsey's. Parents should be teaching this stuff to their kids all thru life so that they are prepared when they go out into the world on their own. This is yet another failure of the family unit. Needs to be fixed. ASAP. Dont have kids unless you are prepared to do the job.....THE WHOLE JOB.

most adults these days are idiotic about money.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

I wouldnt care if it came up. Its not like Im against it. But when it does I want it to actually make an impact on low wage earners lives. Not just be a thing where they have a few more bucks to blow foolishly. Use it for good. Save as much as possible.

all valid concerns, for sure.

[gfm7175]

There is assault on the working class in the USA and both parties can go fuck themselves! Yes! The USA is a failed state for the average person.

There is no USA anymore... Currently, there is only the SOA (States of America, no longer united), the SOTNY (Socialist Oligarchy of the Territory of New York), the SOTC (Socialist Oligarchy of the Territory of California), and the SODC (Socialist Oligarchy of the District of Columbia).

The Party of the Jackass is the Party that is directly causing the assault of which you speak.

Also, the whole "essential worker" bit is complete nonsense. EVERY worker is essential.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Cinnabar,

There is assault on the working class in the USA and both parties can go fuck themselves! Yes! The USA is a failed state for the average person.

The Democrats are trying to do something about it.

[gfm7175]

A Minimum Wage should be a Livable Wage.

This is on my Lispy Leftist list (see my sig) as "living wage". Define "livable wage". It is a subjective term that means a different thing to each individual. One person might consider $30,000/yr to be "livable" (as they'd wish to live), while another might not even consider $150,000/yr to be "livable" (as they'd wish to live).

If the Employee has to collect Welfare to survive, that's called 'Socialism for the Company'.

No, it's called one of two things:

[1] a lazy fuck who wishes to mooch off of the government (who mooches off of those who DO apply themselves) rather than actually applying themselves (via gaining education, experience, skills, etc...)

[2] a person who wants to apply themselves (and did apply themselves), but the government won't allow them to earn a living, so the government then pretends to give a fuck about the person's financial well-being that they forcefully removed from them via "relief checks", and eventually via "universal basic income" checks, and eventually one will only receive those UBI checks (or the full amount of those checks) IF one does as the government says (social credit score?)

[domer76]

Well I was asking a question not making a statement so apparently it isn't me who is in the idiot.

I also notice that you can't define a livable wage either.

So according to you I can live any lifestyle I choose and work at Burger King and the government will just raise my wage to cover everything?

Essentially the government paying for everything?

And invoking Africa as well?

I didn’t try to define livable wage, you fucking moron.

Nope, not according to me, you illiterate fuck. I never said anything of the like.

Goddam, some of you fucks can’t comprehend simple English..

[gfm7175]

What does the average Congressperson generate re. 'value' vs pay?

Maybe the people who they represent should vote on their pay increases rather than themselves voting on it? Or even better yet, maybe it shouldn't be an option for a career (term limits)? However, at this point, they'll never vote their own career away...

[Jack]

O.K Jack. I agree with you. That would be a livable wage. Now lets get into some real talk. It is my belief that peoples expectations of what a livable wage IS have changed dramatically for the worse.. IMO it was never intended to include paying for cell phones and cell phone service, cable tv, internet, pot, booze, and cigs, video games, x boxes, and online game memberships, and eating out at fast food restaurants every day.

Would you agree that ALL of those things are non essential,...those are extras that a person really does not need.

A livable wage is about a small little place to live in, low overhead which should allow you to save money. It is about having enuff money to actually go to the grocery store and purchase food THAT YOU HAVE TO COOK YOURSELF,...every day, every meal. Not only does this save you money,...but it is actually way better for you.
What it is,...is a START in life , nothing more. Then you work your way up. People have changed though. Now,...they dont want to have to start at the bottom and move up. They want to start in the MIDDLE. Not how it works...... People's spending habits are frikking HORRIBLE. So many people live like absolute FOOLS nowadays. Just pissing away money that they dont have in the first place when they could be saving money and building a future. A whole lot of people had to learn the hard way after the crash of 08, and it was GOOD for them to learn. Many changed their spending and saving habits after that so it was a valuable lesson. Problem is.....those old problems are creeping back in slowly but surely. That needs to be stopped. Until people change their spending and saving habits they will ALWAYS be poor.

Agree.

[gfm7175]

They need to pass the $15 an hour minimum wage now! It should a full $15 an hour right now, not over a period time?!!

I don't mind paying more for services and products, last long the workers are getting $15 an hour or more?!!

Do you mind actually receiving $0/hr because your position at the company that you used to work for was eliminated?

[Legion]

There is assault on the working class in the USA and both parties can go fuck themselves! Yes! The USA is a failed state for the average person.

But how can this be? The DEMOCRATS say they champion the working poor.

[Legion]

????

[gfm7175]

It is not about 15. It is about 9.50 this year, 11 bucks the year after. 12.50 the year after that and in 2024 15 bucks.

Does matter if it happens incrementally or not. A price control is a price control is a price control, and price controls ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS lead to shortages, in this case a shortage of jobs.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Does matter if it happens incrementally or not. A price control is a price control is a price control, and price controls ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS lead to shortages, in this case a shortage of jobs.

people are due a cartel price fix of their own. it happens once in a while.

[gfm7175]

We tend to reference fast food workers when we think about minimum wage. Even though they earn more than minimum wage. A $2 beverage yields about $1.80 in profit, assuming the cup costs $.10.

Where are these numbers coming from?

Raising the cost of a drink $.25 will more than cover the cost of labor.

Would it? Operating under my made-up number of $12/hour, if mandated up to $15/hour, that would cost a company an additional $6,240 per year per employee on their labor expense alone.

You are also assuming that the company would still be able to sell the same amount of drinks at the increased rate (which would need to be at least 24,960 drinks per year per employee in order for a $0.25 per drink price increase to offset the increased labor expense).

If the company cannot feasibly do this in order to keep the employees employed full time, then they'll be looking towards other options to stay afloat, such as cutting those employee positions into part time positions, eliminating those positions entirely, or even replacing those positions with automation. --- This leads to a shortage of jobs, as any price control does, and leads to people making less money, or (more likely) no money at all, compared to what they did before. Any job that is not worth at least $15/hour to a company will no longer exist, plain and simple. There are already plenty of potential jobs that a $7.25/hour minimum wage makes unavailable. You now want anything worth less than $15/hour to be made unavailable?!

Even though $15/hour isn't a livable wage,

Just because it isn't a "livable wage" FOR YOU doesn't mean that it isn't a "livable wage" for SOMEBODY ELSE. It is entirely possible to survive on $15/hr, and even on less than that.

it will push people over the threshold for public assistance.

No, it will actually make even MORE people dependent upon government assistance (after they lose their jobs), which is why the Dems love this policy so much.

Most conservatives should be applauding that.

No, conservatives should be vehemently OPPOSED to such a job killing policy.