Critical Race Theory

[Doc Dutch]

This theory, like most, have both good points and bad. IMO, it's mostly bad because it's racist. Ending racism by adding more racism is like bombing for peace or fucking for virginity. It's a dead end and only seeks to prolong the pain.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory
Critical race theory (CRT), the view that the law and legal institutions are inherently racist and that race itself, instead of being biologically grounded and natural, is a socially constructed concept that is used by white people to further their economic and political interests at the expense of people of colour. According to critical race theory (CRT), racial inequality emerges from the social, economic, and legal differences that white people create between “races” to maintain elite white interests in labour markets and politics, giving rise to poverty and criminality in many minority communities. The CRT movement officially organized itself in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much further, to the 1960s and ’70s.

The ABA's views. It's very politically correct, but like Affirmative Action looks great on paper, how it actually works is counter-productive to eliminating racism. IMO, so does CRT: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/c...l-race-theory/

[LV426]

This theory, like most, have both good points and bad. IMO, it's mostly bad because it's racist. Ending racism by adding more racism is like bombing for peace or fucking for virginity. It's a dead end and only seeks to prolong the pain.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory
Critical race theory (CRT), the view that the law and legal institutions are inherently racist and that race itself, instead of being biologically grounded and natural, is a socially constructed concept that is used by white people to further their economic and political interests at the expense of people of colour. According to critical race theory (CRT), racial inequality emerges from the social, economic, and legal differences that white people create between “races” to maintain elite white interests in labour markets and politics, giving rise to poverty and criminality in many minority communities. The CRT movement officially organized itself in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much further, to the 1960s and ’70s.

The ABA's views. It's very politically correct, but like Affirmative Action looks great on paper, how it actually works is counter-productive to eliminating racism. IMO, so does CRT: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/c...l-race-theory/

Affirmative Action isn't even a bill, or a law, or a piece of legislation.

It is merely a convenient boogeyman and excuse the unqualified and incapable make now that their previous level of mediocrity isn't enough to secure them employment anymore.

Criticizing CRT is like someone coming on an anonymous message board thread and exaggerating or embellishing their personal experience to fit within the narrow parameters of what's being discussed, all in absence of a cogent and coherent argument to be made using facts, data, and credibility.

CRT and AA aren't the problem; the problem is too many wypipo are just unwilling to acknowledge their own personal mediocrity in order to improve and make themselves more hirable.

So they just excuse their own personal failings by referencing a program that has absolutely nothing to do with why they didn't get hired.

[LV426]

This theory, like most, have both good points and bad. IMO, it's mostly bad because it's racist. Ending racism by adding more racism is like bombing for peace or fucking for virginity. It's a dead end and only seeks to prolong the pain.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory
Critical race theory (CRT), the view that the law and legal institutions are inherently racist and that race itself, instead of being biologically grounded and natural, is a socially constructed concept that is used by white people to further their economic and political interests at the expense of people of colour. According to critical race theory (CRT), racial inequality emerges from the social, economic, and legal differences that white people create between “races” to maintain elite white interests in labour markets and politics, giving rise to poverty and criminality in many minority communities. The CRT movement officially organized itself in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much further, to the 1960s and ’70s.

The ABA's views. It's very politically correct, but like Affirmative Action looks great on paper, how it actually works is counter-productive to eliminating racism. IMO, so does CRT: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/c...l-race-theory/

So many wypipo like to blame programs like AA or things like CRT instead of blaming themselves for being so painfully mediocre and for doing nothing to distinguish themselves to hiring managers.

[Jack]

This theory, like most, have both good points and bad. IMO, it's mostly bad because it's racist. Ending racism by adding more racism is like bombing for peace or fucking for virginity. It's a dead end and only seeks to prolong the pain.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory
Critical race theory (CRT), the view that the law and legal institutions are inherently racist and that race itself, instead of being biologically grounded and natural, is a socially constructed concept that is used by white people to further their economic and political interests at the expense of people of colour. According to critical race theory (CRT), racial inequality emerges from the social, economic, and legal differences that white people create between “races” to maintain elite white interests in labour markets and politics, giving rise to poverty and criminality in many minority communities. The CRT movement officially organized itself in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much further, to the 1960s and ’70s.

The ABA's views. It's very politically correct, but like Affirmative Action looks great on paper, how it actually works is counter-productive to eliminating racism. IMO, so does CRT: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/c...l-race-theory/

This is actually interesting.
It would stand to reason why one 'group' would want to 'hold power' over others.

[Doc Dutch]

This is actually interesting.
It would stand to reason why one 'group' would want to 'hold power' over others.

Agreed; it's human nature. Evolution in action. The main problem, IMO, is that human nature isn't always what's needed. What worked on the African plains 200,000 years ago doesn't necessarily work in a technological civilization.

We should be asking questions like "Where do we want to be and how will we get there?" Eliminating racism is good, it's more efficient. Eliminating racism by teaching racism seems idiotic.

The Democrats are notorious for exemplifying the rule "The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions". Affirmative Action has been around for about 60 years. While the intentions are good, in practice, it's harming society but the Democrats never want it to end.

[Geeko Sportivo]

Does anyone think that Mahomes was recruited by the Kansas City Chiefs through Equal Opportunity laws etc. or won his position by being qualified for the position.

How about Clarence Thomas? Tiger Woods endorsements? Morgan Freeman? General Powell? President Obama? Oprah? Shaq? Michael Jordan?

My point is, so you think all successful Black people were helped by Equal Opportunity programs?

Personally, I don't think we would have ever heard about any of these people without these people attending college, and they would never had been allowed into the colleges without EO laws to insure their acceptance.

SO THAT IS WHY I AM AN ADVOCATE OF EO laws!

[Jack]

Agreed; it's human nature. Evolution in action. The main problem, IMO, is that human nature isn't always what's needed. What worked on the African plains 200,000 years ago doesn't necessarily work in a technological civilization.

We should be asking questions like "Where do we want to be and how will we get there?" Eliminating racism is good, it's more efficient. Eliminating racism by teaching racism seems idiotic.

The Democrats are notorious for exemplifying the rule "The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions". Affirmative Action has been around for about 60 years. While the intentions are good, in practice, it's harming society but the Democrats never want it to end.

Dutch: "Where do we want to be and how will we get there?"
Jack: I agree with that statement.

IMO, the Capitalists (the Ownership Class) doesn't care about 'race' and anyone can join. 'Merit' seems to be at the core of the philosophy.
Eventually, a Meritocracy will emerge, not based on Color, not based on Ethnicity. The 'Divide' will be between the Ones that got Lucky on the DNA Roll of the Dice.

[Doc Dutch]

Dutch: "Where do we want to be and how will we get there?"
Jack: I agree with that statement.

IMO, the Capitalists (the Ownership Class) doesn't care about 'race' and anyone can join. 'Merit' seems to be at the core of the philosophy.
Eventually, a Meritocracy will emerge, not based on Color, not based on Ethnicity. The 'Divide' will be between the Ones that got Lucky on the DNA Roll of the Dice.

Agreed that the only color all good capitalists care about is green.

A meritocracy is the most fair. Making it work is easier said than done. When I was interviewing candidates for employment I didn't give a shit what color they were or what school they attended. Some interviewers did care. A lot of it interview stuff is numbers with a human interface. The humans, us interviewers, were monitored too. The Big Computer in HQ would spit out our numbers comparing who we interviewed, who we recommended and who we didn't. If our own numbers were off, the interviewer was returned to their primary job.

I only happened to be working there for a couple months while my wife was ill. It was an interesting job since I'd only seen it from the other side of the table. We were the first human rung on the ladder to employment. Mostly a records verification and personality check.

[Jack]

Agreed that the only color all good capitalists care about is green.

A meritocracy is the most fair. Making it work is easier said than done. When I was interviewing candidates for employment I didn't give a shit what color they were or what school they attended. Some interviewers did care. A lot of it interview stuff is numbers with a human interface. The humans, us interviewers, were monitored too. The Big Computer in HQ would spit out our numbers comparing who we interviewed, who we recommended and who we didn't. If our own numbers were off, the interviewer was returned to their primary job.

I only happened to be working there for a couple months while my wife was ill. It was an interesting job since I'd only seen it from the other side of the table. We were the first human rung on the ladder to employment. Mostly a records verification and personality check.

Dutch: "Agreed that the only color all good capitalists care about is green."
Jack; Yes. Way up there at the top of the List.

Dutch: "A meritocracy is the most fair. Making it work is easier said than done."
Jack: Agree.

[LV426]

"Meritocracy"

Yeesh...talk about something that looks good on paper but never in practice...

[Hoosier Daddy]

No doubt racism, systemic racism, is still entrenched in many aspects of American society today. Compared to 10 years ago? Not so much. Compared to 20 years, compared to 50 years? Not even close. But at any rate, any instances, it is completely wrong and immoral and we should take all steps to make sure all legal requirements and standards are complied with, which would ELIMINATE 98% OF THE EXISTING SYSTEMIC RACISM. We have laws against it, right now. We need to enforce them.

Today, black people still face bias and prejudice in education, the workplace, in society, but it's based more on their economic condition, than skin color. How many people who are are competent enough to have hiring and firing power are stupid and backward enough to still be racist? All races who are trapped in poverty, who grew up in poverty, with all the same environmental problems and influences, face the same kind of bias and prejudice, including white kids and white folks who were so negatively impacted. Not every kid who grows up poor in bad neighborhoods with bad parents grows up bad, if that were true, the crime rate would be incredible. But probably about the same portion of all races do grow up in that world and never get out.

[Stone]

So many wypipo like to blame programs like AA or things like CRT instead of blaming themselves for being so painfully mediocre and for doing nothing to distinguish themselves to hiring managers.

[Jarod]

This theory, like most, have both good points and bad. IMO, it's mostly bad because it's racist. Ending racism by adding more racism is like bombing for peace or fucking for virginity. It's a dead end and only seeks to prolong the pain.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory
Critical race theory (CRT), the view that the law and legal institutions are inherently racist and that race itself, instead of being biologically grounded and natural, is a socially constructed concept that is used by white people to further their economic and political interests at the expense of people of colour. According to critical race theory (CRT), racial inequality emerges from the social, economic, and legal differences that white people create between “races” to maintain elite white interests in labour markets and politics, giving rise to poverty and criminality in many minority communities. The CRT movement officially organized itself in 1989, at the first annual Workshop on Critical Race Theory, though its intellectual origins go back much further, to the 1960s and ’70s.

The ABA's views. It's very politically correct, but like Affirmative Action looks great on paper, how it actually works is counter-productive to eliminating racism. IMO, so does CRT: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/c...l-race-theory/

Not a current event

[cawacko]

Not a current event

Really? We've been having this 'national reckoning' on race since George Floyd's death upon which CRT is playing a major role. But that's not a current event? Interesting perspective.

[Jack]

No doubt racism, systemic racism, is still entrenched in many aspects of American society today. Compared to 10 years ago? Not so much. Compared to 20 years, compared to 50 years? Not even close. But at any rate, any instances, it is completely wrong and immoral and we should take all steps to make sure all legal requirements and standards are complied with, which would ELIMINATE 98% OF THE EXISTING SYSTEMIC RACISM. We have laws against it, right now. We need to enforce them.

Today, black people still face bias and prejudice in education, the workplace, in society, but it's based more on their economic condition, than skin color. How many people who are are competent enough to have hiring and firing power are stupid and backward enough to still be racist? All races who are trapped in poverty, who grew up in poverty, with all the same environmental problems and influences, face the same kind of bias and prejudice, including white kids and white folks who were so negatively impacted. Not every kid who grows up poor in bad neighborhoods with bad parents grows up bad, if that were true, the crime rate would be incredible. But probably about the same portion of all races do grow up in that world and never get out.

'Generational wealth'. This is more at the core of 'racial division' than actual 'racism' in my opinion.

"Generational wealth is any form of inheritance or financial assistance from parents or other family members. It’s basically wealth transfer from one generation to the next, whether that be in the form of billions of dollars, a college education, a home, a car, or even a cell phone. Access to some form of generational wealth is huge advantage for young adults just starting out in the world."
https://partnersinfire.com/finance/generational-wealth/

Just the fact that many Families put a downpayment on their kids first home is a huge advantage over kids that rent for the first 10 years of adulthood.