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    Default Limbaugh's legacy: permanent division

    It wasn't always this way.

    When Reagan was President, and Tip O'Neill was Speaker, the parties worked together. They compromised. They got stuff done. They would snipe at each other and it wasn't always pretty, but there was generally a spirit of comity and working together for the common good.

    Part of Rush's raison d'etre was to make Republicans tougher & to fight. He was fairly open about this - he spoke about the idea that too many Republican leaders had been soft and let Democrats dictate things.

    Rush single-handedly turned politics into a team sport. You belonged to one or the other, and you either won or you lost - and the other side was the enemy. There was no feeling that both sides wanted what was best for America and just disagreed on how to get there: the other side did NOT want what was best for America. They wanted power, and they were to be defeated at all costs.

    Over 30 years, this has led to the extremes we see today. Both parties have drifted further from the center. There is almost no compromise anymore - we see things like McConnell openly stating at the start of Obama's admin that their sole purpose was to make him a one-termer, and Democrats spending too much time on Russia and trying to bring Trump down. It's a win-at-all-costs team sport now. It's not what our government was intended to be.

    Along the way, things like civility got thrown to the side. The accepted tone today is characterized by distrust, lies, insults and even hate.

    Rush was a giant in his industry, and forever transformed both radio and politics. While he got the ball rolling toward the division we see today, he also spawned hundreds who carry on with that work, on both sides. We're not getting back to the Reagan/O'Neil days anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    It wasn't always this way.

    When Reagan was President, and Tip O'Neill was Speaker, the parties worked together. They compromised. They got stuff done. They would snipe at each other and it wasn't always pretty, but there was generally a spirit of comity and working together for the common good.

    Part of Rush's raison d'etre was to make Republicans tougher & to fight. He was fairly open about this - he spoke about the idea that too many Republican leaders had been soft and let Democrats dictate things.

    Rush single-handedly turned politics into a team sport. You belonged to one or the other, and you either won or you lost - and the other side was the enemy. There was no feeling that both sides wanted what was best for America and just disagreed on how to get there: the other side did NOT want what was best for America. They wanted power, and they were to be defeated at all costs.

    Over 30 years, this has led to the extremes we see today. Both parties have drifted further from the center. There is almost no compromise anymore - we see things like McConnell openly stating at the start of Obama's admin that their sole purpose was to make him a one-termer, and Democrats spending too much time on Russia and trying to bring Trump down. It's a win-at-all-costs team sport now. It's not what our government was intended to be.

    Along the way, things like civility got thrown to the side. The accepted tone today is characterized by distrust, lies, insults and even hate.

    Rush was a giant in his industry, and forever transformed both radio and politics. While he got the ball rolling toward the division we see today, he also spawned hundreds who carry on with that work, on both sides. We're not getting back to the Reagan/O'Neil days anytime soon.
    Why do you think, "civility got thrown to the side."?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    It wasn't always this way.

    When Reagan was President, and Tip O'Neill was Speaker, the parties worked together. They compromised. They got stuff done. They would snipe at each other and it wasn't always pretty, but there was generally a spirit of comity and working together for the common good.

    Part of Rush's raison d'etre was to make Republicans tougher & to fight. He was fairly open about this - he spoke about the idea that too many Republican leaders had been soft and let Democrats dictate things.

    Rush single-handedly turned politics into a team sport. You belonged to one or the other, and you either won or you lost - and the other side was the enemy. There was no feeling that both sides wanted what was best for America and just disagreed on how to get there: the other side did NOT want what was best for America. They wanted power, and they were to be defeated at all costs.

    Over 30 years, this has led to the extremes we see today. Both parties have drifted further from the center. There is almost no compromise anymore - we see things like McConnell openly stating at the start of Obama's admin that their sole purpose was to make him a one-termer, and Democrats spending too much time on Russia and trying to bring Trump down. It's a win-at-all-costs team sport now. It's not what our government was intended to be.

    Along the way, things like civility got thrown to the side. The accepted tone today is characterized by distrust, lies, insults and even hate.

    Rush was a giant in his industry, and forever transformed both radio and politics. While he got the ball rolling toward the division we see today, he also spawned hundreds who carry on with that work, on both sides. We're not getting back to the Reagan/O'Neil days anytime soon.

    Rush was all hatred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Rush was all hatred.
    His legacy is more complicated than that to me. He did a ton for charity, and by all accounts, he was amazing to work for. I think he started his show as more of a schtick, but became a bit more of a "believer" as time went on (just speculation). But ultimately, he was an entertainer.

    I see his impact on America as being very negative, but I think the individual was - as we all are - complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    His legacy is more complicated than that to me. He did a ton for charity, and by all accounts, he was amazing to work for. I think he started his show as more of a schtick, but became a bit more of a "believer" as time went on (just speculation). But ultimately, he was an entertainer.

    I see his impact on America as being very negative, but I think the individual was - as we all are - complex.

    Don't agree. He was pure hated his entire life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Rush was all hatred.
    Limbaughtomy was 50% dumbass.

    A lying dumbass at that.

    Teabaggers loved him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    His legacy is more complicated than that to me. He did a ton for charity, and by all accounts, he was amazing to work for. I think he started his show as more of a schtick, but became a bit more of a "believer" as time went on (just speculation). But ultimately, he was an entertainer.

    I see his impact on America as being very negative, but I think the individual was - as we all are - complex.
    Exactly. Rush admitted to be an entertainer with the goal being to keep you listening as long as possible. The amount of time and energy people Putin to hating him is fascinating.

    I see his impact as having been quite positive. It's all perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    There are liberals. There are conservatives. That's life. Quit your whining and just co-exist. Have free and open debate. Keep America of, by and for the people. Stick to the Constitution and live your life.
    Spot on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    There are liberals. There are conservatives. That's life. Quit your whining and just co-exist. Have free and open debate. Keep America of, by and for the people. Stick to the Constitution and live your life.
    Sorry. "Quit your whining" rings hollow from someone who has whined about their candidate losing an election for 2+ months.

    This thread is more about what happened to the discourse. We can have liberals and conservatives working together, or we can have each side just trying to obstruct the other side.

    I think more gets done & that it's better for America when they work together. Opinions on that can vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no worries View Post
    Limbaughtomy was 50% dumbass.

    A lying dumbass at that.

    Teabaggers loved him.

    Rush was a hate filled racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    It wasn't always this way.

    When Reagan was President, and Tip O'Neill was Speaker, the parties worked together. They compromised. They got stuff done. They would snipe at each other and it wasn't always pretty, but there was generally a spirit of comity and working together for the common good.

    Part of Rush's raison d'etre was to make Republicans tougher & to fight. He was fairly open about this - he spoke about the idea that too many Republican leaders had been soft and let Democrats dictate things.

    Rush single-handedly turned politics into a team sport. You belonged to one or the other, and you either won or you lost - and the other side was the enemy. There was no feeling that both sides wanted what was best for America and just disagreed on how to get there: the other side did NOT want what was best for America. They wanted power, and they were to be defeated at all costs.

    Over 30 years, this has led to the extremes we see today. Both parties have drifted further from the center. There is almost no compromise anymore - we see things like McConnell openly stating at the start of Obama's admin that their sole purpose was to make him a one-termer, and Democrats spending too much time on Russia and trying to bring Trump down. It's a win-at-all-costs team sport now. It's not what our government was intended to be.

    Along the way, things like civility got thrown to the side. The accepted tone today is characterized by distrust, lies, insults and even hate.

    Rush was a giant in his industry, and forever transformed both radio and politics. While he got the ball rolling toward the division we see today, he also spawned hundreds who carry on with that work, on both sides. We're not getting back to the Reagan/O'Neil days anytime soon.
    Don't praise Regan. He began the destruction of the middle class and he was a racist POS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Sorry. "Quit your whining" rings hollow from someone who has whined about their candidate losing an election for 2+ months.

    This thread is more about what happened to the discourse. We can have liberals and conservatives working together, or we can have each side just trying to obstruct the other side.

    I think more gets done & that it's better for America when they work together. Opinions on that can vary.
    When the Constitution gets violated, we will fight legally to resolve the issue without setting businesses on fire. Take it to the courts.
    Dems had 4 years of it. We have 4 years of it if necessary. Get a job and live your life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    Don't praise Regan. He began the destruction of the middle class and he was a racist POS.
    Correct on both counts.

    Trump modelled himself on Reagan.

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    the funeral parlor told Rush's family that it is normal for a dead person to rant about minorities for hours after death.

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