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    Pearl Harbor and the Deceptions of War.

    BlackAsCoal
    December 7, 2008


    As America commemorates this day of mourning and sorrow for the lives lost at Pearl Harbor 67 years ago on this day, it is also wise to learn and teach the lessons of that fateful day. I can think of no wiser words on the lessons of December 7, 1941 than the words of Sun Tzu, "All war is based on deception.” No differently than Hitler’s Reichstag Fire, the “surprise” attack on Pearl Harbor was a deception. Roosevelt knew the Japanese were on their way to Pearl Harbor and that it would be attacked. In fact, he not only goaded the Japanese to attack, he welcomed it.

    During the presidential elections of 1940, FDR campaigned as a man of peace. During the last days of the campaign he said these words on October 30, 1940 in Boston, "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." Two days later in Brooklyn, he had this to say, "I am fighting to keep our people out of foreign wars. And I will keep on fighting." The very next day in Rochester, New York, he said this, "Your national government ... is equally a government of peace -- a government that intends to retain peace for the American people." On the same day in Buffalo, New York, he said, "Your President says this country is not going to war." On the next day, November 3rd in Cleveland, he said, "The first purpose of our foreign policy is to keep our country out of war." FDR campaigned and won the election on his promise of peace.

    However, underneath the campaign promises and speeches, FDR had already opened up secret communications with Winston Churchill, and soon after his election, FDR began to put in place all the elements of going to war. Stanford University history professor Thomas Bailey, who coined the term “International Gangsterism,” wrote in his book. “The Man on the Street”, “Franklin Roosevelt has repeatedly deceived the American people during the period before Pearl Harbor. He was like the physician who must tell the patient lies for the patient's own good. The country was overwhelmingly noninterventionist to the very day of Pearl Harbor, and an overt attempt to lead the people into war would have resulted in certain failure and an almost certain ousting of Roosevelt in 1940, with a complete defeat of his ultimate aims.” In spite of all of his pronouncements of peace, FDR was anxious to get America involved in the war that was ravaging through Europe, and he took great steps to ensure that would happen. His most bold and tragic step was to allow the death and destruction at Pearl Harbor to happen without challenge. As he suspected, it was the last step he needed.

    Americans don’t like uncomfortable truth and there are many who will reject any knowledge not created by Hollywood or not found in the so-called “mainstream” media. But there are many truths too obvious to ignore or cover-up with “patriotism.” Just a little more than an hour before the attack on Pearl Harbor began, The USS Ward sunk a Japanese minisub just off Pearl Harbor Bay. All totaled, four minisubs would be sunk and one would run aground that day. The range of a minisub at the time was about 60 miles. Thus, unless Japan lies 60 miles off the coast of Pearl Harbor, we had to have known that there were some very large ships sitting somewhere nearby that brought them there. Yet, we didn’t even send out recon to look for them. The first Japanese planes were seen on radar nearly an hour before the air strike began. Yet, this also went unchallenged. There is absolutely no historical question of whether FDR knew an attack was imminent, but the misdirect put out by FDR himself was that the Japanese fleet would attack the Philippines or Guam. The truth was that we had already cracked the Japanese code and we knew the attack would come at Pearl Harbor. Supposedly we were searching for the Japanese fleet, but paid no attention when it showed up at our door.

    There are several theories of why FDR was so anxious to get America involved in the war and why he would allow such death and destruction to occur unchallenged. America was slowly pulling itself out of the Great Depression and war has always been a profitable money-making business for America. But on November 5th, 1940, the very next day after FDR was re-elected, he announced plans to open “the Arsenal of Democracy” for Great Britain. In December 1940, he announced the Lend-Lease Act to the American public, and in March of 1941, Congress passed it. The act fired up America’s industrial engines that had laid dormant throughout the Depression. It was a rousing success, thus FDR did not have to go to war to profit from it.

    The truth of why FDR clamored for war so much that he allowed Pearl Harbor to happen can be found in examining the relationship between him and Winston Churchill before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Churchill implored FDR to get involved in the war and told him that Britain was on the verge of defeat and was completely broke. He warned, “If we go down you may have a United States of Europe under Nazi command far more numerous, far stronger, far better armed than the New World.” Many influential Americans such as, Herbert Hoover, Joseph Kennedy, and Charles Lindbergh opposed entering the war. Both FDR and Churchill came to recognize that Japan would be the gateway to their aims and soon after re-election, FDR began a series of steps to goad Japan into an attack.

    There can hardly be a more credible source of this truth than Winston Churchill himself. Churchill wrote in his Nobel Prize winning series on WWII, “The Second World War,” that FDR knew about the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor. In it, Churchill makes the points that a) Hawaii's commanders did not get proper warning, b) he was not going to judge what FDR did at Pearl Harbor, c) that he and FDR were very afraid that the US could not come into the war unless Japan attacked the U.S., d) FDR welcomed the attack, e) Pearl Harbor was worth the price. FDR "knew the full and immediate purpose" of the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, said Churchill. FDR goaded the Japanese to attack, then he allowed it to happen.

    No differently that than the attack on the USS Maine by the Spanish, that never happened, but led to the Spanish/American War, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, that never happened, but led to greater US involvement in Vietnam, or the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam did not have that led to the invasion of Iraq, the “surprise” attack on Pearl Harbor was no surprise at all. It was just another deception of war.

    As we approach the inauguration of Barack Obama, another so-called “man of peace”, whose entire cabinet did not have the “good judgment” to recognize the all too obvious deceptions of the invasion of Iraq, it is wise to remember and teach the lessons of Pearl Harbor and the deceptions of war. America is already involved in two wars at the same time with other serious major conflicts looming close by. Obama talks a lot about Lincoln, but his closest parallel may be that of Roosevelt. Only this time, instead of coming out of a depression, America is sinking into one. Talking peace and walking war by deception is a strategy America can ill-afford, and all Americans should remain diligent to ensure that does not happen .. again.
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    Did you write that, man? That rocks. Of course, damo the mason will move it to the conspiracy forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    Did you write that, man? That rocks. Of course, damo the mason will move it to the conspiracy forum.
    Thank you my brother .. I did write it.

    This is validated history, not conspiracy, and I hope Damo agrees with the history even if he disagrees with my conclusions.
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

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    Yes what a better world we would have had if FDR had just stayed out of WWII. What a better world had Hitler been able to win that war. He should have remained a pacifist so that the Germans could have defeated Britain, established fortress Europe and eventually invaded the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Thank you my brother .. I did write it.

    This is validated history, not conspiracy, and I hope Damo agrees with the history even if he disagrees with my conclusions.
    Just because it is history doesn't make it "not conspiracy".

    Conspiracy is not secret code for "not true". Now Conspiracy Theory tends to mean a conspiracy that has yet to be proven, but the word conspiracy doesn't necessarily make something untrue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrtease View Post
    Yes what a better world we would have had if FDR had just stayed out of WWII. What a better world had Hitler been able to win that war. He should have remained a pacifist so that the Germans could have defeated Britain, established fortress Europe and eventually invaded the US.
    There's really no knowing what would have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrtease View Post
    Yes what a better world we would have had if FDR had just stayed out of WWII. What a better world had Hitler been able to win that war. He should have remained a pacifist so that the Germans could have defeated Britain, established fortress Europe and eventually invaded the US.
    are you saying that the ends justify the means?

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    As if any reasonable person needed another reason to despise FDR.
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    Between this, interning Japanese Americans unlawfully, vetoing anti-lynching legislation, and the single most massive expansion of government in world history, it's absolutely amazing that people admire him.
    There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socrtease View Post
    Yes what a better world we would have had if FDR had just stayed out of WWII. What a better world had Hitler been able to win that war. He should have remained a pacifist so that the Germans could have defeated Britain, established fortress Europe and eventually invaded the US.
    How about a real argument?

    NOWHERE in anything I've said demonstrates that I believe we should have stayed out of the war.

    Pearl Harbor was a deception that worked, unlike the deceptions of Vietnam or the invasion of Iraq which did not .. but it was deception no less.
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Just because it is history doesn't make it "not conspiracy".

    Conspiracy is not secret code for "not true". Now Conspiracy Theory tends to mean a conspiracy that has yet to be proven, but the word conspiracy doesn't necessarily make something untrue.
    I agree with that .. but "conspiracy" has also been redefined to paint anything that many don't want to hear. Relagating something to "conspiracy" allows closed mind to stay unencumbered by truth, logic, and common sense.
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

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    conflict (war) between the u s of a and japan was inevitable

    if japan had gotten our pacific carriers, it would have taken longer to defeat them, but the u s of a is bigger than both germany's and japan's conquered area at the onset of war with japan and germany

    we literally out produced germany and japan

    the one thing that germany was working on (a fission bomb) might have tipped the balance, but we got there first
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonQuixote View Post
    conflict (war) between the u s of a and japan was inevitable

    if japan had gotten our pacific carriers, it would have taken longer to defeat them, but the u s of a is bigger than both germany's and japan's conquered area at the onset of war with japan and germany

    we literally out produced germany and japan

    the one thing that germany was working on (a fission bomb) might have tipped the balance, but we got there first
    Yeah imagine if Hitler had allowed the use of Noahide Science. They would have got there first.

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    Oh please. This is a conspiracy theory.
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