Socrates and Jesus

[serenity]

Jesus and Socrates invite comparison as two of the greatest teachers in history and as seminal figures in the story of freedom.

Both were true philosophers, lovers of wisdom who saw their teaching as a vocation—not a career—and who lived and died as witnesses to the truth. Both brought messages of individual liberation and salvation to societies rooted in communal concepts of freedom.

As lovers of wisdom, Both Socrates and Jesus were concerned with the individual’s soul:

1. Socrates turned from the study of science to the soul.
2. Jesus had no interest in a political kingdom of God; his kingdom of God was in the individual’s soul.

The teachings of both Socrates and Jesus aimed at leading the individual to ethical decisions.

Both aroused bitter enmity among their peers—Sophists and Pharisees. Both were tried and sentenced to death by a jury of their peers on charges of blasphemy and treason.

Socrates was charged:
1. With blasphemy or atheism: refusing to believe in the gods of Athens, but in new, different divinities.
2. With treason: corrupting the young.

Jesus was convicted:
1. Of blasphemy before the Jewish Sanhedrin.
2. Of treason, for claiming to be king of the Jews, before the Roman governor Pontius Pilate.

In each case, the charges were completely false. Both Socrates and Jesus were the victims of envy and slander. The most effective form of slander, “the Big Lie,” was used against both teachers.

The real reason that both teachers were convicted and executed was that both Socrates and Jesus struck at the heart of the community.

Neither Socrates or Jesus published. Why did Socrates and Jesus not publish?
1. Publication is an act of finality. It suggests that you know the truth.
2. The true philosopher is always searching for the truth, and in this search, there is no earthly finality.

Both proved even more powerful in death than in life. Since neither Socrates nor Jesus published anything their posthumous impact could be achieved only by others institutionalizing them. Plato institutionalized Socrates, while Saint Paul institutionalized Jesus:

1. Plato reduced the message of Socrates to writing and, along with Aristotle, laid the foundation of the modern university.
2. St. Paul interpreted the message of Jesus in a form comprehensible. to Greeks and Romans and laid the foundation for the Christian church.




Source credit: Professor Rufus Fears, University of Oklahoma

Socrates created the idea of a social soul, Jesus realized each person was an eternal sole displacement to an ever changing population nothing stayed the same as arrived so far.

[Mason Melchizedek]

Jesus didn't exist, though. Remove the magic tricks and all you have left is Essene philosophy and Jewish mysticism. Oh, and John's gospel adds in some Hellenstic philosophy.

There is historical evidence of Jesus.
Whether you believe he was God incarnated is up to you.

[BidenPresident]

There is historical evidence of Jesus.
Whether you believe he was God incarnated is up to you.

Why would anyone think God has a Jewish child 2000 years ago? Not even amusing as science fiction.

[Mason Melchizedek]

Why would anyone think God has a Jewish child 2000 years ago? Not even amusing as science fiction.

I don't know what to tell you.
I thought like you ,till I had an Epiphany of the Holy Spirit

[BidenPresident]

I don't know what to tell you.
I thought like you ,till I had an Epiphany of the Holy Spirit

uh huh

[Cypress]

Socrates created the idea of a social soul, Jesus realized each person was an eternal sole displacement to an ever changing population nothing stayed the same as arrived so far.

Not quite. The immortal soul is a cornerstone of Socratic thought. In Plato's Republic, Socrates presents the vision that when people die they are judged.

Those who lived just lives are treated to 1,000 years of inconceivable beauty.
Those who have lived unjustly recieve 1,000 years of punishment.
Those who are beyond redemption recieve eternal damnation.

Obviously, it is pretty clear why the prominent Christian theologians of late antiquity had such an affinity for Socrates and Plato.

[BidenPresident]

Socrates created the idea of a social soul, Jesus realized each person was an eternal sole displacement to an ever changing population nothing stayed the same as arrived so far.

Where did Socrates talk about a "social soul?" You're an expert, should be easy for you to answer.

[serenity]

Not quite. The immortal soul is a cornerstone of Socratic thought. In Plato's Republic, Socrates presents the vision that when people die they are judged.

Those who lived just lives are treated to 1,000 years of inconceivable beauty.
Those who have lived unjustly recieve 1,000 years of punishment.
Those who are beyond redemption recieve eternal damnation.

Obviously, it is pretty clear why the prominent Christian theologians of late antiquity had such an affinity for Socrates and Plato.

bla bla bla. no such animal as immortal soul. psychological class warfare by concensus mentalities to make sure anyone that knows what life is doesn't discuss it with concensus mentalities or gets punished for instinctive honesty by those socially corrupted by educated possibilites life isn't limited to biological separation of numbers added so far.

[serenity]

Where did Socrates talk about a "social soul?" You're an expert, should be easy for you to answer.

ha ha ha ha ha social identity is a social immortal soul because it lives in context, not ancestral displacement.

[Doc Dutch]

^^ Purports to be a devout Christian.

It's understandable once you see his mom:

[AProudLefty]

It's understandable once you see his mom:

That is very frightening but I will be willing to see what she does to my penis.

[Doc Dutch]

bla bla bla. no such animal as immortal soul. psychological class warfare by concensus mentalities to make sure anyone that knows what life is doesn't discuss it with concensus mentalities or gets punished for instinctive honesty by those socially corrupted by educated possibilites life isn't limited to biological separation of numbers added so far.

How do you know?

[Doc Dutch]

That is very frightening but I will be willing to see what she does to my penis.

She's good! OTOH, you don't want to see PmP's penis.

[Doc Dutch]

Not quite. The immortal soul is a cornerstone of Socratic thought. In Plato's Republic, Socrates presents the vision that when people die they are judged.

Those who lived just lives are treated to 1,000 years of inconceivable beauty.
Those who have lived unjustly recieve 1,000 years of punishment.
Those who are beyond redemption recieve eternal damnation.

Obviously, it is pretty clear why the prominent Christian theologians of late antiquity had such an affinity for Socrates and Plato.

Don't all of the major religions believe in an afterlife? Even some atheists believe physical reality is not all there is to existence.

[Cypress]

Don't all of the major religions believe in an afterlife? Even some atheists believe physical reality is not all there is to existence.

I am not knowledgeable about all world religions but I suppose moksha, nirvana, the Dao can all be considered a form of enternal spirit

I have never been clear on the Jewish concept of afterlife. Prior to development of Rabbinic Judaism, I actually think Jews did not concieve of an afterlife.