Socrates and Jesus

[ThatOwlWoman]

Jesus didn't exist, though. Remove the magic tricks and all you have left is Essene philosophy and Jewish mysticism. Oh, and John's gospel adds in some Hellenstic philosophy.

I don't think it matters whether He had an actual physical existence or not. 2,000 years shows that His philosophy permeates Western thought.

[ThatOwlWoman]

My requisite non-sequitur of the day [less tolerant members might call it an attempted thread-jacking, but it's not intended that way]:

Don't you hate the term "Platonic" for a non-physical friendship between members of opposite gender?
Who knows that much about Plato's personal friendships with women to make his name a word for the practice?
He probably didn't sleep with them, given that he's thought to have been gay, but what did he do with them?
We may be using his name not knowing that he was into all sorts of stuff that didn't involve actual vaginal penetration but might still be considered indelicate, even if not sexual.

Let's come up with a better word to describe a friendship with a member of the opposite sex that's rather similar to the friendships we have with members of our own sex.
Or is a word for that even needed?

"Friends without benefits"? Heheheh.

[Cypress]

You claimed Jesus never existed.

If Jesus never existed, how was there Christianity in Ethiopia?

That is terrible logic and reasoning.

The Roman pagan religions extended across the Mediterranean world, but I doubt Jupiter or Venus ever existed.

Leave the historicity of Jesus up to trained scholars of antiquity.

[PostmodernProphet]

Socrates has saved no one......

[PostmodernProphet]

Jesus and Socrates invite comparison

a few problems with your comparison.....

Neither Socrates or Jesus published

the simple fact is, no one prior to the inventions of Gutenberg "published" anything......the words of both ARE published......otherwise you could not compare them.....

his kingdom of God was in the individual’s soul

Jesus' kingdom of God was the entire universe......

[Cypress]

a few problems with your comparison.....



the simple fact is, no one prior to the inventions of Gutenberg "published" anything......the words of both ARE published......otherwise you could not compare them.....

Jesus' kingdom of God was the entire universe......

I am only going to indulge your petty word games with one and only one response.

To publish means to make available to the public. Treatises, epic poems, and manuscripts were hand copied and distributed, aka published, to the interested reading public in the 5th century BCE.

Processor Fears is clearly making reference to the King James Gospel of Luke, which testifies that Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you.

[TexanManWithPlans]

Scholarly consensus:





https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

Stanton, Graham (2002). The Gospels and Jesus (Oxford Bible Series) (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 145.

Ehrman, 2011. Forged : writing in the name of God ISBN 978-0-06-207863-6. p. 285

Cute how you suddenly believe in scholarly consensus. If only you would hold right-wing science denialism to this level of scrutiny.

[TexanManWithPlans]

You claimed Jesus never existed.

If Jesus never existed, how was there Christianity in Ethiopia?

The same way it exists everywhere else. Missionaries spread it.

[BidenPresident]

Socrates has saved no one......

you're one of the biggest assholes on the forum

[BidenPresident]

I think the key differences were that Jesus stood for working people and his first followers shared all things in common whereas Socrates was heavily in with the oligarchs and disliked democracy, which is why the Athenians saw him off after they'd suffered the Thirty Tyrants..

What does "heavily in with the oligarchs mean?" If he was, why didn't they help him?

[BidenPresident]

Socrates believed he had a 'daemon' that told him truths. I never know what 'religious' means, other than that it tends to concern the god concept in one form or another, and it's pretty late in human history that that assumption gets dubious.

'daimon' just means conscience.

[PostmodernProphet]

I am only going to indulge your petty word games with one and only one response.

well fuck off with your silly self then.....if you don't like having real discussions, don't start threads.....

[PostmodernProphet]

I am the second biggest asshole on the forum

domer has saved you again.....

[Guno צְבִי]

There is no serious scholar of religious studies who would agree that Jesus of Nazareth never existed. The balance of scholarly evidence is there was a Jewish philosopher by that name.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...45#post3207445

The authors of the Gospels were highly educated Greek speakers, suggesting they were Hellenic Jews or Hellenistic gentiles - rendering us unsurprised that elements of Greek thought crops up in the NT. The premise of the immortal soul goes back to Socrates and Plato.

Hanukkah The eight-day Jewish celebration known as Hanukkah or Chanukah commemorates the rededication during the second century C.E. of the Second Temple in Jerusalem, where according to legend Jews had risen up against their Greek-Syrian oppressors in the Maccabean Revolt and the defeat of the Hellenization creeping within the Jewish community

[Cypress]

Cute how you suddenly believe in scholarly consensus.

If only you would hold right-wing science denialism to this level of scrutiny!

I have always placed weight on scholarly consensus.

I have been on this board since 2006 and have written hundreds of posts haranguing and excoriating rightwing science deniers on evolution, climate science, cosmology, earth science.