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    Default Holocaust memorial.

    In excess of 17 million murdered, including 6 million Jews . R.I.P.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
    " First they came for the journalists...
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    Soviet prisoners of war were starved to death.

    It is chilling to realize that prior to 1933, Germany was percieved to be one of the most civilized nations, and by world standards was a pretty decent place for Jews to live on balance.

    That goes to show you that even civilized nations are at risk of totalitarianism if a leader with a cult of personality can make inroads, whether it is Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, or Trump

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    Aye to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    In excess of 17 million murdered, including 6 million Jews . R.I.P.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims
    Don't we already have a memorial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jenkins View Post
    Don't we already have a memorial?
    There are many memorials, physical and virtual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    There are many memorials, physical and virtual.
    Right, so what's the point of the thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Soviet prisoners of war were starved to death.

    It is chilling to realize that prior to 1933, Germany was percieved to be one of the most civilized nations, and by world standards was a pretty decent place for Jews to live on balance.

    That goes to show you that even civilized nations are at risk of totalitarianism if a leader with a cult of personality can make inroads, whether it is Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, or Trump
    Right, Nazis killed probably 4 or 5 times more Russians than Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jenkins View Post
    Right, so what's the point of the thread?
    Partly to expose Philistines. There is no threadban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Partly to expose Philistines. There is no threadban.
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Sobieski View Post
    Right, Nazis killed probably 4 or 5 times more Russians than Jews.
    Soviet estimates of their war dead includes Jews. Soviet citizenship did not make distinctions between Jewish, Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist citizens.

    Strictly speaking, combat deaths do not count as crimes against humanity. Death is still death, though.

    The Russian Republic was not the most effected area of the USSR. Other than the Nazi drive on Moscow in 1941, the vast majority of the Russian heartland was never occupied by the Germans. Far western Russia took a body blow (aka, Leningrad, Smolensk, Novogorod). But Ukraine and Byelorussia are where the Nazis really ran wild. It is even technically correct to speak of a Byelorussian holocaust.

    If one counts combat deaths, starvation of Soviet POWs, reprisals against civilians, forced labor, starvation, disease, and genocide, Russian authorities claim 26 million Soviet citizens perished either directly or indirectly as a result of the conflict.

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    We're all very fortunate that Hitler made the fatal mistake of attacking Russia- all except the Russians, that is. It's correct to say that the astronomical Russian sacrifices saved our asses. If WW2 had a ' winner ', it was them. Turning against them, post-war, was incomprehensibly stupid- but that's war, isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Soviet estimates of their war dead includes Jews. Soviet citizenship did not make distinctions between Jewish, Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist citizens.

    Strictly speaking, combat deaths do not count as crimes against humanity. Death is still death, though.

    The Russian Republic was not the most effected area of the USSR. Other than the Nazi drive on Moscow in 1941, the vast majority of the Russian heartland was never occupied by the Germans. Far western Russia took a body blow (aka, Leningrad, Smolensk, Novogorod). But Ukraine and Byelorussia are where the Nazis really ran wild. It is even technically correct to speak of a Byelorussian holocaust.

    If one counts combat deaths, starvation of Soviet POWs, reprisals against civilians, forced labor, starvation, disease, and genocide, Russian authorities claim 26 million Soviet citizens perished either directly or indirectly as a result of the conflict.
    The Soviet death toll ranges from 22 to 40 million.

    Only just over 1 million were Jews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    We're all very fortunate that Hitler made the fatal mistake of attacking Russia- all except the Russians, that is. It's correct to say that the astronomical Russian sacrifices saved our asses. If WW2 had a ' winner ', it was them. Turning against them, post-war, was incomprehensibly stupid- but that's war, isn't it.
    Not really.

    Soviets had supplied Nazis in the German Soviet Credit Agreement / German Soviet Commercial Agreement.

    According to the Molotov Ribbon trip Pact Nazis & Soviets split up Eastern Europe.
    Soviets invaded Eastern Poland, Finland, the Baltic region & Romania.

    There were even German Soviet Axis talks.

    Not to mention during WW2 Soviets killed over 22,000 Poles at Katy Forest Massacre.

    Before WW2 Soviets had already killed millions in the Holodomor, Dekulakiszation, and the Polish Operation of the NKVD.

    Following WW2 Soviets invaded Central Europe & helped Communist Chinese during their Revolution.

    Before siding against the USA in Korea & Vietnam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Soviet estimates of their war dead includes Jews. Soviet citizenship did not make distinctions between Jewish, Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist citizens.

    Strictly speaking, combat deaths do not count as crimes against humanity. Death is still death, though.

    The Russian Republic was not the most effected area of the USSR. Other than the Nazi drive on Moscow in 1941, the vast majority of the Russian heartland was never occupied by the Germans. Far western Russia took a body blow (aka, Leningrad, Smolensk, Novogorod). But Ukraine and Byelorussia are where the Nazis really ran wild. It is even technically correct to speak of a Byelorussian holocaust.

    If one counts combat deaths, starvation of Soviet POWs, reprisals against civilians, forced labor, starvation, disease, and genocide, Russian authorities claim 26 million Soviet citizens perished either directly or indirectly as a result of the conflict.
    Good point on Belarus they lost about 1/ 4 th of their population in WW2.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/perc...0during%20WWII.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan Sobieski View Post
    Good point on Belarus they lost about 1/ 4 th of their population in WW2.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/perc...0during%20WWII.
    The key distinction is that the Nazis literally wanted to murder every Jew in Europe, and they came bloody well close to doing it.

    While the Nazis considered East Slavs to be subhuman Asiatic hordes, and had no compunction starving them or perpetrating mass reprisals against civilians, their goal was not to drive East Slavic people to extinction. They intended to drive as many possible east of the Urals, and enslave the rest to serve the German colonies planned for the western Reaches of USSR. To some extent, they even considered people of the Baltic States to be cousins of the Germanic-Scandinavian master race, and intended to leave them relatively unmolested.

    My reponse to any anti Semites who claim Jews are hogging all the sympathy, is that on this planet there are probably more monuments and memorials to Soviet victims of Nazi Germany than there are to Jewish victims. In Russia and Belarus you cannot throw a rock without hitting a memorial to the Soviet victims of Hitler.

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