The filibuster has to go

[Jerome]

appointments are not legislation.
a bad appointment effects the one institution, poorly rushed partisan legislation effect the whole country

Jesus this is fucking tone deaf.

Rushed judicial nominees mean partisan legislation from the bench for a generation, at least.

[Cypress]

that's how it goes.....we treat you the way you treat us and then you treat us the way we treat you and and then we treat you the way you treat us and then you treat us.....

When did the modern Democratic Party ram through a Supreme Court nominee just one week before they decisively lost a national election?

[anatta]

Democrats can and should treat treat Senate courtesies the same way your party did. Lifelong appointments included

Reid started this -not Republicans -take it up with Dems

[anatta]

Jesus this is fucking tone deaf.

Rushed judicial nominees mean partisan legislation from the bench for a generation, at least.

the bench does not legislate

[Cypress]

Reid started this -not Republicans -take it up with Dems

Nope.

Republicans made historic, relentless, and unprecedented use of the filibuster to block Obama's appointments prior to 2013.

That form of blatant abuse of the filibuster is what opened these floodgates

[PostmodernProphet]

When did the modern Democratic Party ram through a Supreme Court nominee just one week before they decisively lost a national election?

is that the only penis in your ear?....

[PostmodernProphet]

Nope.

Republicans made historic, relentless, and unprecedented use of the filibuster to block Obama's appointments prior to 2013.

That form of blatant abuse of the filibuster is what opened these floodgates

and I remember Bush still trying to get appointments confirmed in August.....

[Damocles]

and I remember Bush still trying to get appointments confirmed in August.....

Yeah, that won't happen any longer as the filibuster doesn't apply to judge appointees anymore.

[PostmodernProphet]

Yeah, that won't happen any longer as the filibuster doesn't apply to judge appointees anymore.

he was still trying to get his cabinet appointees approved in August of 2001.....

[cawacko]

It's an interesting debate. One can be philosophically opposed to the filibuster. There's also an element of partisan politics involved and the desire to say "we have control now so lets end it". Read a couple of interesting articles from people on the left about being careful what we wish for because we won't have control forever and Republicans can do a lot of damage when they return back to power.

[Sailor]

It's an interesting debate. One can be philosophically opposed to the filibuster. There's also an element of partisan politics involved and the desire to say "we have control now so lets end it". Read a couple of interesting articles from people on the left about being careful what we wish for because we won't have control forever and Republicans can do a lot of damage when they return back to power.

Exactly. Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot for immediate gratification then whine like bitches when it is used against them later.

[Damocles]

he was still trying to get his cabinet appointees approved in August of 2001.....

Yeah, I remember that. Then when they finally finished up it was like two days before 9/11...

[NiftyNiblick]

The Senate itself needs to go, at least as a legislative body.
It is the cause of rural right wing extremists being wildly over-represented in government relative to their number.

It can preserved as a House of Lords type body, but doesn't need to be involved in legislation.
We are the oldest continuing democracy, although we often don't function as one, and thus the most obsolete,
Modern democracies in more progressive nations are far more efficient.
And for those who claim that we weren't founded as a democracy, then it's time to fix that as well.

[Cypress]

and I remember Bush still trying to get appointments confirmed in August.....

-- Relentless and Massive Use of the Filibuster Began with Republicans in 2007, and Accelerated When Obama Became President --

"The number of times senators have filed a motion to invoke cloture — the first step in ending a filibuster — has more than doubled between George W. Bush’s presidency and Trump’s presidency. It first spiked dramatically in 2007, when Republicans lost their Senate majority in the 2006 midterms and began using the filibuster much more aggressively than either party had in the past. The trend only accelerated after Obama took office in 2009."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethi...ilibuster/amp/

[Jerome]

the bench does not legislate

Fucking A they don't! What do you think Citizens United and Heller were? New constitutional ideas produced from whole cloth (billions in donations to candidates is "free speech" and guns cannot be restricted for "personal defense", neither of which the framers ever envisioned).