Fight over rules grinds the Senate to a halt, imperiling Biden’s legislative agenda

**BartenderElite** · 01-24-2021, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner

Yep, and they are usually bad... Just like the last one.

Not when Democrats have won over the past few decades. Greatest prosperity ever under Clinton. Obama brought us back from a devastating crash.

Those consequences have been pretty awesome. It's usually only when we put a Republican in charge that things fall apart. But Dems always seem to fix it.

**Darth Omar** · 01-24-2021, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by BidenPresident

You Trump supporters never have the right to accuse anyone of lying.

I call em I see them.

**reagansghost** · 01-24-2021, 10:36 AM

same old shit from the GOP

they whine "where's the unity, Joe?" while trashing him and his entire administration

oh I don't know, tough one

**BartenderElite** · 01-24-2021, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Omar

See historic shellacking in 2022 lol.

Just from what I’ve seen the first week I’m tempted to predict it and I don’t do election predictions.

Republicans should pick up seats. The party out of power usually does.

But this could be an anomaly. The GOP is in complete disarray right now. Trump brought the party to near ruin, and they have some work to do to get back to being viable, and a party voters trust.

**BidenPresident** · 01-24-2021, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by reagansghost

same old shit from the GOP

they whine "where's the unity, Joe?" while trashing him and his entire administration

oh I don't know, tough one

McConnell calling for fairness. What a joke he is.

**Darth Omar** · 01-24-2021, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by BartenderElite

Not when Democrats have won over the past few decades. Greatest prosperity ever under Clinton. Obama brought us back from a devastating crash.

Those consequences have been pretty awesome. It's usually only when we put a Republican in charge that things fall apart. But Dems always seem to fix it.

Clinton benefited from the earliest days of the tech boom—and, he was an actual centrist Democrat. Good luck finding one of those these days.

And I reject the premise that Obama brought us [creeping] back from a ‘republican’ disaster. The crash was a bipartisan effort.

**reagansghost** · 01-24-2021, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by BartenderElite

Republicans should pick up seats. The party out of power usually does.

But this could be an anomaly. The GOP is in complete disarray right now. Trump brought the party to near ruin, and they have some work to do to get back to being viable, and a party voters trust.

the tide has finally turned for the rotten GOP, their faithful are dying off at record numbers, especially with covid taking down the elderly.

useless anachronisms, this trash should've been take out long ago

**BartenderElite** · 01-24-2021, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Omar

Clinton benefited from the earliest days of the tech boom—and, he was an actual centrist Democrat. Good luck finding one of those these days.

And I reject the premise that Obama brought us [creeping] back from a ‘republican’ disaster. The crash was a bipartisan effort.

Both takes are partisan. Clinton will always be remembered as one of our best economic Presidents, and no one really sees the Bush crash as some sort of "bipartisan" thing. The President is the steward of the economy.

And history is pretty clear: Republican Presidents usually leave office w/ the economy on a downswing or even crash, and Democrat Presidents fix it.

**BartenderElite** · 01-24-2021, 10:41 AM

And it's interesting that you call Clinton "centrist." He was - but so is Biden. And just like Biden, everyone on the right portrayed Clinton as a "radical socialist" when he was elected, and for most of his time in office.

**BidenPresident** · 01-24-2021, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by BartenderElite

Both takes are partisan. Clinton will always be remembered as one of our best economic Presidents, and no one really sees the Bush crash as some sort of "bipartisan" thing. The President is the steward of the economy.

And history is pretty clear: Republican Presidents usually leave office w/ the economy on a downswing or even crash, and Democrat Presidents fix it.

Like Reagan. They trash the economy by giving money to upper class. Then Democrats have to restore order to the economy.

**Darth Omar** · 01-24-2021, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by BartenderElite

Republicans should pick up seats. The party out of power usually does.

But this could be an anomaly. The GOP is in complete disarray right now. Trump brought the party to near ruin, and they have some work to do to get back to being viable, and a party voters trust.

Democrats will screw it up because they always do lol. Actually, neither party is good at holding the WH and both bodies. But this crop of democrats is already out over their skis. They’re too cocky and for some reason they have it in their heads that they have a mandate.

I wouldn’t be surprised if 2022 is a bloodbath.

**BidenPresident** · 01-24-2021, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by BartenderElite

And it's interesting that you call Clinton "centrist." He was - but so is Biden. And just like Biden, everyone on the right portrayed Clinton as a "radical socialist" when he was elected, and for most of his time in office.

Clinton wanted to be known as a centrist. Biden is also a centrist.

**BartenderElite** · 01-24-2021, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Omar

Democrats will screw it up because they always do lol. Actually, neither party is good at holding the WH and both bodies. But this crop of democrats is already out over their skis. They’re too cocky and for some reason they have it in their heads that they have a mandate.

I wouldn’t be surprised if 2022 is a bloodbath.

What do you mean "because they always do?" I just explained this, but I'll try again: history says the opposite.

Clinton inherited a recession from his Republican predecessor, and we had arguably America's greatest economic prosperity under his admin.

Obama inherited a massive crash - an economy spiraling out of control. And he instigated one of our longest recoveries.

Now, we have a Democrat President taking over from - surprise, surprise - yet another economic crash that happened under a Republican.

History says that Democrats fix things. The idea that they always "screw things up" just isn't reality.

**Darth Omar** · 01-24-2021, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by BartenderElite

Both takes are partisan. Clinton will always be remembered as one of our best economic Presidents, and no one really sees the Bush crash as some sort of "bipartisan" thing. The President is the steward of the economy.

And history is pretty clear: Republican Presidents usually leave office w/ the economy on a downswing or even crash, and Democrat Presidents fix it.

Are you saying Bush single handedly crashed the economy?

If so, can you give a brief summary of how he did that?

**BartenderElite** · 01-24-2021, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Omar

Are you saying Bush single handedly crashed the economy?

If so, can you give a brief summary of how he did that?

Again - the President is the steward of the economy. I'm sure when you talk about the economy of the Carter years, you don't take a comprehensive look at "all the factors."

Cheney said early on in Bush's admin that deficit spending didn't matter. And that's consistent w/ what we've seen from the right: debt & deficits are the #1 focus, until they're actually in power. Then, they spend like crazy and ignore economic warnings.

And that's what Bush did. He knew about the housing bubble. He was given opportunities to show leadership. And just like other Republicans - he failed.

It was the Bush crash. And the bottom line is that he left office with a massive economic downturn to hand off to his successor.