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Diesel (01-24-2021)
Where was the NG for the summer mobs that were summoned by the media and the some crowd hyping the death of George Floyd. And how many mobs were there? Too many to count.
How much blood is on the hands of people who failed to respond to and/or incite it? People like BLM.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
Hello BartenderElite,
It's partly an ego thing. Some people can never admit it when they are wrong. There are a lot of conservatives who cannot ever admit it when they are wrong. So they do backflips to avoid admitting a mistake.
The most absurd example of that was sharpiegate.
Trump was wrong about the weather prediction. NHS never said the hurricane was threatening Alabama. It was on a course which, if extended as a straight line long range, went to Alabama, but the NHS expected the storm to turn due to interface with a weather front. Trump missed that part. He saw it apparently headed for Alabama and made up his own prediction. It was wrong. The NHS corrected him. But due to his oversized ego, he could not possibly be wrong. The NHS has no business telling the king he had no clothes. So Trump took a poster of an NHS forecast and used a sharpie to extend the prediction in a straight line to show Alabama threatened. He was wrong.
Then he dug himself in deeper. He tried to order the NHS to change their prediction to match what he had incorrectly said. He dug himself deeper. They refused. It was the most absurd display of ego anybody could remember ever seeing.
How anybody could witness that and still support that man is beyond comprehension.
In the case of 1/6, conservatives who have placed their support in Trump don't want to admit it was a mistake, that it led to the capitol attack.
So they made up this false narrative that it was somehow antifa.
Anything to avoid admitting it was a mistake to support and elect Trump.
At this point it is obvious most of the lingering support is nothing but an attempt to save face.
And that is messed up.
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BartenderElite (01-24-2021), Diesel (01-24-2021)
Hello Darth,
Whataboutism is an admission of being wrong. It is like saying, "OK, I had it wrong but I am not going to admit it, so I am going to change the subject and try to completely deflect the conversation and make it about something else."
We are in a discussion about the capitol attack. If you want to talk about BLM I would suggest that you begin a new thread.
Personal Ignore Policy PIP: I like civil discourse. I will give you all the respect in the world if you respect me. Mouth off to me, or express overt racism, you will be PERMANENTLY Ignore Listed. Zero tolerance. No exceptions. I'll never read a word you write, even if quoted by another, nor respond to you, nor participate in your threads. ... Ignore the shallow. Cherish the thoughtful. Long Live Civil Discourse, Mutual Respect, and Good Debate! ps: Feel free to adopt my PIP. It works well.
I appreciate your perspective, your optimism, and your thoughtful post. You sound like me two or three years ago. I am so far past that. The 2016 election was difficult for most people. I didn't vote for Trump (I didn't vote for Clinton either), but I did not hold a vote for Trump (or Clinton) against anyone. I spent at least the first year and probably close to the first two years of the Trump presidency pleading for unity. I joined online forums to learn why Trump supporters supported him. I had long, patient conversations with relatives and friends who supported Trump. I made a monumental effort to come to terms with the Trumpists in my life and Trumpists in general.
Yet the situation only degraded. Trump dug the death grave deeper every waking hour of every godforsaken day for five long years. He never stopped lying. He hired people to lie for him. How did his supporters react? We all know the answer. They swallowed the poison pill hook, line, and sinker. They completely abandoned reality. They denied things that were undoubtedly true. They insisted on things that were undoubtedly false. They even claimed that the word "fact" doesn't have a definition. In fact, they claimed that no words have definitions, that everything is subjective and relative. There is no universal truth about anything. They claimed that their "opinions", however uniformed or blatantly deceptive, were equally as valid as proven science, medicine, and basic, provable facts. They continue to do all of those things to this very day.
So tell me please, PoliTalker, if you can: How are we supposed to achieve unity with people who don't even operate in reality? If you don't agree that 2 + 2 = 4, then a conversation about math is pointless. If you think that purple is a dinosaur and not a color, we don't have any common ground for a meeting of the minds. This is not about political disagreement. This is about honesty. This is about being a normal, rational person who understands words, uses them appropriately, and acts honestly. Trumpists are none of those things. I would love to restrict our disagreements to budget bills and the national deficit and trade agreements and foreign policy. Instead, we have tens of millions of Americans who believe that their political opponents are satan worshippers who rape babies in the basement of a pizza joint.
Lastly, I do believe in forgiveness, but I also believe that once someone shows their true colors, I should never forget it. I don't hate the Trumpists. I watched them proudly display overt, vile, hurtful, unapologetic racism and hatred for at least four years. They can be part of the American fabric. They're already here. But they may never, ever be a part of my life again. I will not unify with people who hate me because I am not white and not straight. I will not unify with people who trade in lies and then use their religion to condemn me. I'm just not there anymore. I will not be a battered spouse who continues to be abused just because I love my country and my fellow Americans. If Trumpists ever come to their senses, I will reevaluate my position, but I have no hope in the world that that will ever happen.
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