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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    No, great effort has been made to undermine the system. Purging voter rolls regularly and continuously is loudly and strongly protested by Democrats. Eliminating ballot harvesting is protested by Democrats. Making voters show ID is protested by Democrats. Use of unsupervised ballot drop off boxes is championed by Democrats. In fact, the Democrats now want to legalize all of that nationwide and are pushing a bill or bills through the House to do so.

    If the Democrats really wanted to ensure open, corruption-, and fraud-free elections they wouldn't have the positions they do take on voting. Instead, they call opposition to these commonsense things "voter suppression." They are full of shit. They want fraudulent elections by the very positions they take on voting.
    Because Democrats want more people to vote and Republicans want less. So, they support election practices to further their goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Because Democrats want more people to vote and Republicans want less. So, they support election practices to further their goal.
    I want the people who have a right to vote to vote and I want safeguards on our elections that ensure that happens. Thus I am for voter ID, against ballot harvesting, against all mail-in elections, against ballot drop boxes. If voting is so important as the Democrats keep saying, then shouldn't it be something a person is willing to invest more than a few minutes in doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I want the people who have a right to vote to vote and I want safeguards on our elections that ensure that happens. Thus I am for voter ID, against ballot harvesting, against all mail-in elections, against ballot drop boxes. If voting is so important as the Democrats keep saying, then shouldn't it be something a person is willing to invest more than a few minutes in doing?
    No. But thanks for admitting that your goal is voter suppression. We already knew that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I want the people who have a right to vote to vote and I want safeguards on our elections that ensure that happens. Thus I am for voter ID, against ballot harvesting, against all mail-in elections, against ballot drop boxes. If voting is so important as the Democrats keep saying, then shouldn't it be something a person is willing to invest more than a few minutes in doing?
    I spend a few minutes requesting my ballot, then when it’s received I complete it, sign it and take it to the mailbox! I then track it online. I really like voting by mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I spend a few minutes requesting my ballot, then when it’s received I complete it, sign it and take it to the mailbox! I then track it online. I really like voting by mail.
    I doubt I'll ever do it again in person. Safe, secure and you KNOW your vote was counted. I have no idea why it makes the Trump cult quiver with fear and hide in the corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    No. But thanks for admitting that your goal is voter suppression. We already knew that.
    How the hell do you get that from what I said? How is making sure that the person voting is the person allowed to vote "voter suppression?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    How the hell do you get that from what I said? How is making sure that the person voting is the person allowed to vote "voter suppression?"
    How about we put broken glass in front of the polling places. If it's that important, people will wear shoes, so why not? Maybe we can shoot at them, and they can wear camo if they REALLY, REALLY want to vote.

    You want to suppress the vote and use non-existent voter fraud as an excuse to do exactly that. You don't want to make voting easy. You want to make it hard. Especially in democratic areas. That's called voter suppression. That's what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    I doubt I'll ever do it again in person. Safe, secure and you KNOW your vote was counted. I have no idea why it makes the Trump cult quiver with fear and hide in the corner.
    I don’t either, just another sign they swallow all the bunk Trump feeds them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    How about we put broken glass in front of the polling places. If it's that important, people will wear shoes, so why not? Maybe we can shoot at them, and they can wear camo if they REALLY, REALLY want to vote.
    Logical fallacy in a combination of reducto ad absurdum and a tu quoque.

    You want to suppress the vote and use non-existent voter fraud as an excuse to do exactly that. You don't want to make voting easy. You want to make it hard. Especially in democratic areas. That's called voter suppression. That's what you want.
    Voting shouldn't be "easy." It's an important civil obligation and we should take it seriously. What you are arguing for is the potential for unbridled voter fraud. That actually is a form of voter suppression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Logical fallacy in a combination of reducto ad absurdum and a tu quoque.



    Voting shouldn't be "easy." It's an important civil obligation and we should take it seriously. What you are arguing for is the potential for unbridled voter fraud. That actually is a form of voter suppression.
    There is no unbridled voter fraud. It is a non-existent crime. You want to suppress the votes of hundreds of thousands to prevent a dozen people from cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    There is no unbridled voter fraud. It is a non-existent crime. You want to suppress the votes of hundreds of thousands to prevent a dozen people from cheating.
    I never said there was, and there shouldn't be. It is an existent crime. And you end by using another logical fallacy, appeal to popularity. I want to ensure those voting have the right to. Asking for ID is hardly a serious inconvenience in a world where you need it to cash a check, board an airplane, get a loan--even at a payday loan store, or buy a bottle of malt liquor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I never said there was, and there shouldn't be. It is an existent crime. And you end by using another logical fallacy, appeal to popularity. I want to ensure those voting have the right to. Asking for ID is hardly a serious inconvenience in a world where you need it to cash a check, board an airplane, get a loan--even at a payday loan store, or buy a bottle of malt liquor.
    Your racism is shining through. Payday loans and malt liquor. How sad. You probably aren't even aware of it any longer.

    All of you need to stop using the word fallacy until you learn what means. You don't have a basic right to cash a check, board an airplane, get a loan or buy liquor. You do have a basic right to vote. Voter fraud is a felony. The idea of huge groups of people committing a felony in order to cast a single vote is laughable. Voter ID is a solution looking for a problem. We know better. You want to stop black people from voting. You are as transparent as glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redfish View Post
    LOL, CNN and MSNBC are not news, they are left wing propaganda outlets. The evidence of vote fraud is massive and real. But the cheaters won this round, the fight has just begun. Truth will win out in the end, it always does.
    Indeed it does. Many in the Court of Public Opinion (some say it's the highest court of all!) has already decided. Democrats can't erase that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Okay, the opinion of a couple of people at the Annenberg Foundation say it didn't happen. So? That's their opinion. Their putting "Fact Check" at the top of the column doesn't increase its credibility.

    From your article:



    Again, it's pretty clear a small number of such votes did occur. That they didn't change the outcome isn't the point. That they occurred at all is. We should strive to improve the system, not excuse it for its failures as you are trying so hard to do.
    Not only voter fraud occurred, but massive election fraud as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    "Discussed in the news" means false allegations that were debunked.

    One poster said Pennsylvania had more votes than registered voters and I proved to him that was false from official Pennsylvania sources. It was simply an allegation from right-wing false news sites.

    No poster has offered any other examples since it is so easy to prove wrong. Anybody who thinks they have evidence of jurisdictions with more votes than registered voters should be anxious to present the evidence if they really had any.
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