Jack (01-20-2021)
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Jack (01-20-2021)
Doc Dutch (01-20-2021)
Agreed. It's also why it's a perfect fit for Stone to scam money off of Americans. Stone can now replace all of his Trump signs with "Patriot Party" signs and become the a frontline Amway salesman for TrumpCo.
Instead of fucking over illegals, Stone can just sell shit out of his house leaving time for him to be online.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Jack (01-20-2021)
Trump didn't exploit a lack of diversity of ideas he exploited that there was a significant portion of the base that were tried of Republicans like myself, coastal 'globalists'. Free trade has increased economic growth and the standard of living in this country. We also can't ignore that is has left some people behind and Trump spoke to them.
Remember this post from Cypress in 2007 in a thread about U.S.-China trade?
""You think this was an accident, or somehow all unintentional?
This was exactly what the wall street republicans, and corporate-sponsored Dems had in mind when the passed NAFTA, WTO, and China MFN.
A downward pressure on labor costs and wages in the United States.
People like Cawacko, Damocles, and Stuperfreak actually bought into the nonsense that William F Buckley, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and Alan Greenspan were actually valiantly trying to improve the status, power, and wage potential of america's working middle class. Is it possible to be any more foolish that to believe scions of the conservative movement and america's rich investor were invested in improving the power and status of Joe and Jane working class american?""
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...ighlight=china
This 'anti-globalist' movement isn't new and has supporters on both sides of the isle.
One party rule would be bad but fortunately it would be nearly impossible.
Democrats—especially as presently constituted, could never govern the whole country for any length of time. The party would inevitably split. In fact, Democrats have their own problems in that regard and they will come to the fore now that they won’t be able rally around getting rid of the Bad Orange Man.
What would be good for the country would be if both parties split: Republicans can split into old school country club republicans and keep the Chamber of Commerce and neocons; the Trump coalition would become a populist/economic nationalist party.
Democrats could naturally split into moderate and radicals. It would give voters real choices; there would be home for everyone and no one party or coalition could pull the country too far in any direction for any length of time.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
I remember when they said Ross Perot's party was going to end republicans. How'd that work out for you?
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
Sailor (01-20-2021)
Think about it. The last 3 Republican presidents
Bush Sr, Bush Jr and Trump,
grew up in privilege and wealth.
The last 3 Democratic presidents
Clinton, Obama, Biden,
grew up in modest, middle class households.
And the Dems have won the popular vote in seven out of the last eight elections.
Trump was the best thing to happen to the Democratic party.
Judge Juan M. Merchan wrote that Trump “appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality.”
Diesel (01-21-2021)
christiefan915 (01-20-2021)
I have pointed that out for many years as you well know...but why then did they support them? Also, you're talking in the past when conformity to "conservative" ideology was a litmus test. Which would explain why a political moderate such as myself was a Republican.
That also brings up the question, why then did so many Jane and John Six Packs support them?
You're Never Alone With A Schizophrenic!
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
Doc Dutch (01-20-2021)
Because we have a system where you have two choices. And what do we constantly hear? 1) that we should vote and 2) only vote for a Democrat or Republican or else you are throwing your vote away or its a cop-out. So if you feel neither party is representing your interests what do you do in that scenario?
We've seen folks like Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan have made hay. There were more blue-collar 'anti-globalist' Republican candidates in '08 and '12 that had support but not enough to win the nomination. The movement has been out there.
Agreed not right away. Certainly not before 2022, but I hope the trend will be seen by then. Maybe by 2024 but more likely by 2026.
When dealing with very large numbers, IMO, it's better to look at percentages. I think the loss of 5% (?) to Trump's cult would easily be made up by Independents rejoining the RNC...but that's a lot of bridge rebuilding. I'm not going to fall for the standard political rhetoric. I'd have to see Republican leaders actually putting nation before party before I'd rejoin.
I'd like to see the recommendations of the 2012 Growth & Prosperity Project (the Republican Autopsy) implemented. I'd like to see a revitalized, true conservative party close the gender gap and minority gap by doing exactly what you posted: serving our nation's citizens instead of just a wealthy few.
I'm still waiting to see hard numbers from the 2020 election, but am not seeing much. Here's a sample: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ge-biden-trump
Stewart noticed a slight widening of the gender gap – with women voting 56-43 for Biden, while the two candidates were almost tied among men.
But one of the biggest divides that did come to pass was between older voters and those aged under 30, who became even “less enamoured of President Trump than before”.
“The other age groups, 30-44, 45-64, 65 and over, it’s a pretty close divide between Biden and Trump. So it’s really young people who are overwhelmingly anti-Trump and that’s really noticeable.”
He said Trump also lost some appeal among low-income voters, who were more attracted to Biden, but the president gained among voters with family incomes over $100,000 a year.
“That right now appears to be the biggest demographic shift I’m seeing. And you can tie that to [Trump’s] tax cuts [for the wealthy] and lower regulations.”
He added: “For as much as we talk about the culture wars and all of those sorts of things, it looks like the big thing was good old-fashioned pocketbook economics.”
While evidence is lacking in exactly who voted, he said the increase in turnout probably came from young people and the Latino community, who he said “historically have been significantly underrepresented in the electorate.”
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Jack (01-20-2021)
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