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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull&Terrier View Post
    Well if it's a picture someone made on twitter, it must be true!
    check it out, if you do not believe it...goon.

    The Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development developed a list of each country's minimum wages. The ten countries with the highest minimum wages (in USD) are:

    Luxembourg ($13.78)
    Australia ($12.14)
    France ($11.66)
    New Zealand ($11.20)
    Germany ($10.87)
    Netherlands ($10.44)
    Belgium ($10.38)
    United Kingdom ($10.34)
    Ireland ($9.62)
    Canada ($9.52)

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...age-by-country

    here is a comparison of big mac costs around the world-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    We hear the same lamentations every time there is talk of raising the minimum wage.




    really?



    so you think now is a good time to raise minimum wage when we don't even let most stores open yet demand they pay thier employees, taxes, mortgages?


    you think they can afford this?


    I bet they halve the employees and double thier workload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy View Post
    check it out, if you do not believe it...goon.

    The Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development developed a list of each country's minimum wages. The ten countries with the highest minimum wages (in USD) are:

    Luxembourg ($13.78)
    Australia ($12.14)
    France ($11.66)
    New Zealand ($11.20)
    Germany ($10.87)
    Netherlands ($10.44)
    Belgium ($10.38)
    United Kingdom ($10.34)
    Ireland ($9.62)
    Canada ($9.52)

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...age-by-country

    here is a comparison of big mac costs around the world-

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...for-a-big-mac/




    I literally showed you you gave the value meal prices for the burger in the US price. you were caught with a lying meme. I can't help they see your gullible ass from a mile away.



    Is this before taxes? of course it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    So, what happens if Biden gets the minimum wage to $15 an hour?

    Here's were the minimum wage is right now:

    https://images.markets.businessinsid...m-wage-map.png

    In many states that more than doubles it overnight. Given the current state of business closures for Chinese Disease, will they just decide to close for good in those states? Will employers be able to take that big a wage hit? Will the states with larger portions of the population at minimum wage take a bigger hit?

    https://i.insider.com/57211ba052bcd0...6b8?width=1200

    How will this affect workers making $15 an hour or more?

    My prediction is it is one of many blows that the economy will take causing recovery to grind to a halt... Will Biden blame Trump for that?
    My guess is inflation, higher unemployment, more automation.
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    Almost nothing would happen. Even now folks are hired above minimum pretty much everywhere. The reality is, minimum wage is normally only really necessary during a recession, not needed at the beginning of a boom like we'll have when folks really begin to reopen now that we have a new naked emperor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LV426 View Post
    That depends entirely on you...is this a good faith request, or a bad faith one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull&Terrier View Post
    I literally showed you you gave the value meal prices for the burger in the US price. you were caught with a lying meme. I can't help they see your gullible ass from a mile away.



    Is this before taxes? of course it is.
    good god, you are a stupid piece of shit. can't even accept the facts even as they are slapping your right across your huge gaping piehole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Almost nothing would happen. Even now folks are hired above minimum pretty much everywhere. The reality is, minimum wage is normally only really necessary during a recession, not needed at the beginning of a boom like we'll have when folks really begin to reopen now that we have a new naked emperor...
    Lol, yes, reopening will happen, because we will finally have an administration that knows how to handle a natural disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    In states below a $15 minimum (all of them right now) increasing wages means a hit on profitability. In the worst cases, going from $7.50 an hour to $15 means that each employee will cost you $300 more per week in wages and added to that higher payouts for unemployment insurance, employer part social security, employer part taxes, etc., meaning roughly $500 per employee. Let's say your business has 10 employees at $7.50 an hour. That's about $5000 a week you have to cough up to pay them and satiate the government. For a small business, that could be door closing. For a large company with thousands of workers it's going to be unaffordable.
    The thing you are deliberately or inadvertently forgetting about all this, is that the people at the lower end of the income spectrum are also the ones most likely to spend money in the economy, thus creating demand.

    Because, as I'm sure an amateur economist like you knows, an economy can only grow by demand.

    So how does one increase demand? Simple...pay people more money to spend. We know that stimulus is most effective when it's directed at the bottom, rather than the top. So by lifting the minimum wage to $15/hr, we end up SAVING money on welfare programs that are income-determinant.

    So the choice really boils down to this: Do you want to spend less or more on social welfare programs? Because a higher minimum wage means you spend LESS on things like SNAP, Housing Assistance, etc.


    It could encourage fewer to pursue education.
    Not if Public Colleges are free.


    It will encourage businesses to automate big time.
    They already are automating and have already done that. Where have you been the last 30 years?????


    Then there's the trickle up effect. If the line workers are getting $15 an hour now instead of say $7.50 and the manager was making $15 an hour, how much do you have to raise the manager's wage?
    ZERO. You don't have to raise it at all.


    For some companies, off shoring will become attractive.
    You mean those who haven't already done this? Like who?


    The cost of goods and services will go up.
    Nominally, maybe. Incrementally, perhaps. But drastically? No.


    Future raises will be fewer and further between.
    Most workers don't get raises now.


    A big mandatory raise like that certainly result in companies withholding raises in pay for whatever
    Why would they do that if their revenues are also increasing thanks to more people having more money to spend?


    Over time, things like a smaller wage gap, etc., will disappear as the market corrects itself to the new norm.
    Do you...do you think the wage gap is equitable now??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy View Post
    check it out, if you do not believe it...goon.

    The Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development developed a list of each country's minimum wages. The ten countries with the highest minimum wages (in USD) are:

    Luxembourg ($13.78)
    Australia ($12.14)
    France ($11.66)
    New Zealand ($11.20)
    Germany ($10.87)
    Netherlands ($10.44)
    Belgium ($10.38)
    United Kingdom ($10.34)
    Ireland ($9.62)
    Canada ($9.52)

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...age-by-country

    here is a comparison of big mac costs around the world-

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...for-a-big-mac/
    What do you think a higher MW does to the price of a big mac?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull&Terrier View Post
    lol, I've been on every continent cept Antarctica, the fuck you lying about me for?
    Liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull&Terrier View Post
    lol, I've been on every continent cept Antarctica, the fuck you lying about me for?
    Maybe you went to those continents under a different ID than the one you decided to resurrect in mid-October when it appeared Trump was going to lose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    IF YOU CAN'T OFFER UP A GOOD WAGE THEN YOU SHOULD GO BANKRUPT AND GET OUT OF THE WAY FOR THOSE WILLING TO PAY A WAGE THAT IS FAIR and competitive.
    The problem with this reasoning is that many things are not mandatory or non-optional as part of our economy. That is, if what your company does isn't critical or absolutely necessary to society, then you may very well go bankrupt and NOBODY will choose to do what you did in your stead.

    The other likelihood is that you get replaced by a machine.

    McDonald's counter help? Don't need you anymore. You were replaced by a kiosk.



    So, I the owner got rid of say 8 positions to keep my other 6 and my payroll overall stays the same. I didn't go bankrupt, but I did create 8 newly unemployed people now living in poverty. So, your whole theory there needs some serious revision.

    And, the economy won't boom. Sure, those below $15 an hour now make more, but those at or above $15 an hour now feel slighted by the fact that their higher skill levels are underappreciated and they too want raises. That all costs money and raises the price of goods and services. In the end, the economy takes a hit and then settles back to steady state. The artificial wage increase is adjusted for and everybody ends up back were they were before it happened. Sure, now a $5.00 burger costs say $9.50, but that's the market price at a $15 minimum wage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    My guess is inflation, higher unemployment, more automation.
    good thing you get almost everything wrong!! minimum wage has not been raised in 12 years.....and wages have remained fairly constant during that time, and yet productivity has gone up, and huge historic profits for so many companies have occurred, and the number of millionaires in the country has gone through the roof during that time. almost all workers get MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE RIGHT NOW, STUPID. and there are exceptions for small companies and for other reasons, to maintain the minimum wage.

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