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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionfish View Post
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    A right wing conspiracy cite repeating internet rumors... They also claim that Dr. Fauci has been arrested as an "enemy combatant"... So whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I'm leery that it's a legit story and strongly doubt the Commandant of the Marine Corps would disrespect the Speaker of the House.

    Even if she did ask, his answer would more likely be a simple, "No ma'am, we can't do that without the orders of the Commander in Chief."
    'Poisonous lips.'



    This is some Trump cultists wet dream. On the other hand, here is a letter that the Commandant DID sign:

    https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Docum...JY-zIaWdWZRVio

    Just sayin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Correct. The story is total BS, and the 'new guy' fell for it.

    I know, right?

    How disrespectful to that general to even insinuate that he would speak in such a manner to anyone in a position of government, whether or not he disagreed with them. The Cult has cornered the market on gullible morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    As is every man and woman who has taken the oath.
    I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
    Agreed, friend. A further note is that the officer's oath, as in the case of the Commandant, is the same but eliminates "obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me". It's a straight oath to the Constitution.

    As you well know, all military who serve until retirement have taken the oath multiple times, at least once per promotion. AKAIK, a former service member or retiree hasn't been held accountable to that oath, but I, for one, support that they should be. An oath is forever even if the fucking lawyers don't agree.

    https://www.quantico.marines.mil/new...of-enlistment/
    ....Both officers and enlisted service members swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, but in the Oath of Enlistment, service members swear they will “obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over [them], according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.”

    Officers do not include this in their Oath of Office.

    Instead, they swear to support and defend the constitution and “well and faithfully discharge the duties of [their] office.”....

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    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    'Poisonous lips.'



    This is some Trump cultists wet dream. On the other hand, here is a letter that the Commandant DID sign:

    https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Docum...JY-zIaWdWZRVio

    Just sayin'
    Trump's hypocrisy is one of his better character traits. He has a lot worse.

    Thanks for the reminder of the joint military memorandum regarding the assault on our Capitol.

    https://www.stripes.com/news/us/join...n-win-1.658299

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/...itol-riot.html
    "The violent riot in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process," the general and flag officers said. "We mourn the deaths of the two Capitol policemen and others connected to these unprecedented events.

    "We witnessed actions inside the Capitol building that were inconsistent with the rule of law. The rights of freedom of speech and assembly do not give anyone the right to resort to violence, sedition and insurrection."
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I know, right?

    How disrespectful to that general to even insinuate that he would speak in such a manner to anyone in a position of government, whether or not he disagreed with them. The Cult has cornered the market on gullible morons.
    Assholes who never served have no problem spreading lies about the US military and America's men and women in uniform.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed, friend. A further note is that the officer's oath, as in the case of the Commandant, is the same but eliminates "obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me". It's a straight oath to the Constitution.

    As you well know, all military who serve until retirement have taken the oath multiple times, at least once per promotion. AKAIK, a former service member or retiree hasn't been held accountable to that oath, but I, for one, support that they should be. An oath is forever even if the fucking lawyers don't agree.

    https://www.quantico.marines.mil/new...of-enlistment/
    ....Both officers and enlisted service members swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, but in the Oath of Enlistment, service members swear they will “obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over [them], according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.”

    Officers do not include this in their Oath of Office.

    Instead, they swear to support and defend the constitution and “well and faithfully discharge the duties of [their] office.”....

    ...
    My interpretation of the oath is. Nowhere in the oath does it mention a time frame. So it is binding until the oath taker repeals his/her support of the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull&Terrier View Post
    to be fair her forgetfulness is directly related to all that hooch she drinks.
    Maybe you ought to try some of that hooch that Pelosi drinks; it might smarten you up.
    Lock Him Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    A right wing conspiracy cite repeating internet rumors... They also claim that Dr. Fauci has been arrested as an "enemy combatant"... So whatever.
    What does that have to do with an actual event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I'm leery that it's a legit story and strongly doubt the Commandant of the Marine Corps would disrespect the Speaker of the House.

    Even if she did ask, his answer would more likely be a simple, "No ma'am, we can't do that without the orders of the Commander in Chief."
    You just gave a logical reply to a story that got butchered in the right wing press, of which the right wing press is well known for doing.
    Lock Him Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    My interpretation of the oath is. Nowhere in the oath does it mention a time frame. So it is binding until the oath taker repeals his/her support of the constitution.
    Agreed 100%. Unfortunately, and as we all know there were ex-military participating in the insurrection along with Timothy McVeigh's crew being ex-military, AFAIK, they were never charged with violating their oath.

    Maybe this assault on our Capitol and attempt to overthrow the nation will see that change.

    LTC Larry Brock has dishonored all military veterans. I hope he pays a steep price for doing so.

    https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/gr...rsday/2528858/
    Larry Rendell Brock Jr, the Grapevine man facing federal charges for his role in the riot at the U.S. Capitol last week, was released Thursday from the Parker County jail.

    He made no comment as he rushed into a waiting car.

    A federal judge declined to keep Brock locked in jail until his trial. He was arrested by the FBI on Sunday and was charged with knowingly entering or remaining in a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly conduct.

    Investigators said images show Brock, 53, on the Senate floor of the U.S. Capitol. In one of the images, he's seen wearing body armor and a helmet while holding zip-tie restraints.

    Dallas FBI Special Agent John Moore was the only witness to take the stand.

    He testified that Brock was once fired from a job for making racist and threatening comments. The agent also testified to social media postings by Brock where he said, 'I bought a helmet and body armor for the civil war that is coming.'

    The New Yorker reported Brock told them he found the restraints and planned to give them to the police.

    Prosecutors argued because of his military background skills and actions he should be detained as a threat to the public.

    Brock's court-appointed federal defense attorney argued Brock was unarmed, and there's no proof of him causing harm to anyone or damage at the Capitol.

    The judge agreed the charges were not enough to hold him.

    He did put Brock under strict rules of no possession of firearms, limited online access, and electronic location monitoring.

    The judge warned violations could add more federal charges.

    NBC 5 Investigates learned Brock is a highly decorated former U.S. Air Force combat pilot with more than two decades of service to his country. On Monday, Brock was lead into a courtroom by U.S. Marshals, handcuffed, legs chained, and dressed in a black T-shirt and jeans. He politely answered questions from a federal magistrate, “Yes, sir."

    It is not yet clear if Brock was required to post bond before being released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpet View Post
    Maybe you ought to try some of that hooch that Pelosi drinks; it might smarten you up.
    Good idea, but there's such a thing as "lost cause".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Good idea, but there's such a thing as "lost cause".
    Unfortunately you are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionfish View Post
    What does that have to do with an actual event?
    This event NEVER HAPPENED. It's laughable. The language, as I mentioned, is straight out of a right wing wet dream. The Commandant of the Marines is not going to call the Speaker of the House a traitor. Sorry you are so gullible. Don't blame us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    This event NEVER HAPPENED. It's laughable. The language, as I mentioned, is straight out of a right wing wet dream. The Commandant of the Marines is not going to call the Speaker of the House a traitor. Sorry you are so gullible. Don't blame us.
    You're such a nasty Bubble-Burster! Let's hope the FBI bursts his bubble even more.
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