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    Hello and welcome Lionfish,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionfish View Post
    Why should he lie. The election became a farce the second fmail-in ballots were dropped from the sky.
    All 50 separate elections were certified by the States. The American people do not want Trump. We never did. He lost the popular vote in every national election he ever ran in. He barely squeaked by in the EC in 2016, and he lost it in 2020. Fair and square, he is the loser in a valid election.

    An argument has been made that some States made illegal election changes which favored the Democrats. That is false. The changes were made to make it safer to vote during the deadly worldwide pandemic. These changes were available to all voters. Nothing made it any easier for Democrats to vote which was not every bit as available to Republicans as it was to Democrats.

    Fair election.
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    Hello floridafan,

    Quote Originally Posted by floridafan View Post
    You are right, he should have resigned long ago. He never had a clue to what he was doing.
    He certainly should have dropped out after the Access Hollywood tape came out. Al Franken would have done the right thing had it been him. But he is a man of class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    “In the more than five-minute video, Trump says things like, “I want to be very clear: I unequivocally condemn the violence that we saw” when a mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol last week while Congress was in the process of certifying his Electoral College loss to Joe Biden, leaving at least five people dead. Alluding to threats of violence against state capitols and the presidential inauguration, Trump said, “There must be no violence, no lawbreaking, and no vandalism of any kind.”

    “One thing Trump does not say, however, is acknowledging the reality that his loss to Biden was legitimate and not the result of any sort of election fraud.”

    https://www.vox.com/2021/1/14/222307...-election-lies

    If he was serious, and really wanted to end the threat of violence, he would tell his MAGA followers the truth, that it was, and still is, a lie that motivated them
    You mean like the lie the left told for 4 years claiming Trump wasn't a legitimate President.

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    Hello Michael_Panetta,

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    One thing I noticed about Trump's video is how partisan it was. It was a constant "us versus them" message.
    And that is what makes our politics so corrosive, our nation so bitterly divided, and the dominance of legal big moneyed corruption secure.

    If Democrats and Republicans could just stop fighting long enough to join forces against legalized corruption, our nation could advance like flipping a light switch.

    The rich and powerful have us neatly divided and conquered. Totally works for them.

    It is bizarre how the more shocking the news is each day, our nation coming unglued, the federal debt skyrocketing, the more money they make and the higher the market goes.

    It almost seems to be a directly inverse proportion.

    The worse the news is, the higher the stock market goes.
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    Hello Darth Omar,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Too many of them need more than Trump saying that to convince them; and why should Trump be made to say something he doesn’t believe himself?

    The election issues are not going to go away until they are fully vetted.
    They are insignificant and too few in number and scope to affect the outcome. Waste all the time and money you want. It won't change. It's history now. Time to move on.
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    Hello Dutch Uncle,

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Thanks for standing up and admitting you believe Trump started the insurrection with his speech prior to the attack.

    Now all the FBI has to do is find the evidence that confirms this was a planned attack
    I believe it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello and welcome Lionfish,

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    All 50 separate elections were certified by the States. The American people do not want Trump. We never did. He lost the popular vote in every national election he ever ran in. He barely squeaked by in the EC in 2016, and he lost it in 2020. Fair and square, he is the loser in a valid election.

    An argument has been made that some States made illegal election changes which favored the Democrats. That is false. The changes were made to make it safer to vote during the deadly worldwide pandemic. These changes were available to all voters. Nothing made it any easier for Democrats to vote which was not every bit as available to Republicans as it was to Democrats.

    Fair election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    The FBI is lying to you...again.

    Sure. MAGA was there...trying to stop Antifa from breaking windows and doors.

    MAGA is not a militia.

    Learn what 'fact' means. I have already answered your post.
    Appears “nightingale” is a true InfoWars believer, now he has the FBI lying, McCarthy lying, and Antifa all over the storming of the Capital, must have been wearing all the Trump paraphernalia in disguise, Soros probably bought it for them

    You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Too many of them need more than Trump saying that to convince them; and why should Trump be made to say something he doesn’t believe himself?

    The election issues are not going to go away until they are fully vetted.
    In your understanding, the election “issues” are never ever going to go away, unless Trump admitted the truth that he lied, for the rest of your life, regardless of any evidence, you are never going to believe anything otherwise.

    Nothing personal, but you are a perfect example of the post, Trump could end all the nonsense and potential violence by just stating the truth

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Darth Omar,



    They are insignificant and too few in number and scope to affect the outcome. Waste all the time and money you want. It won't change. It's history now. Time to move on.
    I’ll settle for changing the way we do elections.

    Our election ‘laws’ and the way we hold elections are an international embarrassment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    You mean like the lie the left told for 4 years claiming Trump wasn't a legitimate President.
    No, first off, that didn’t happen, and secondly, even if it did, it never inspired anyone to storm the Capital

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    In your understanding, the election “issues” are never ever going to go away, unless Trump admitted the truth that he lied, for the rest of your life, regardless of any evidence, you are never going to believe anything otherwise.

    Nothing personal, but you are a perfect example of the post, Trump could end all the nonsense and potential violence by just stating the truth
    I don’t need Trump or anyone else to tell me what to think and no evidence of that would convince you otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    I don’t need Trump or anyone else to tell me what to think and no evidence of that would convince you otherwise.
    Not that it would matter, for the reasons I stated above, but did you even wonder why no one else involved in the 2020 election is seemingly still crying they were robbed, that the election was fixed? Democrats and Republicans won and lost, but it seems Trump is the only candidate echoing it was all fixed against him. Is it just coincidental that Trump is the only loser crying today over supposed fraudulent elections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Dutch Uncle,

    I believe it was.
    There are certainly a lot of elements it was planned, meaning the attack on the Capitol was premeditated and coordinated.

    A mob's IQ is inversely correlated with the size of the mob. You can't easily stop a stampede, but you can easily start one.

    Remember a few old westerns which used a cattle stampede to wipe out the "injuns" or the "settlers"? The goal was to initiate a stampede toward an objective, a target. Then all that needed to be done was 1) stay out of the way and 2) either follow close behind to achieve further objectives or remain well clear to avoid further risks or consequences.

    Starting a stampede requires elements. In a cattle stampede, the more cattle the better. Scare them so much they run on pure emotion. For cattle, fear is the best emotion to motivate because it, like a virus, it spreads fast and takes over any thoughts of caution. They panic.

    People are easily motivated by fear but they are also easily motivated by anger. Anger that has been whipped up for almost 30 years. Trump didn't build that anger, but as he has so often done, he's exploited it for his own benefit. Since it benefitted him, he's spent the past four years maximizing it. The attack on the Capitol was his masterpiece. The final act of a showman so great that he won't easily be forgotten.

    Here's the funniest part. Salesmanship is Trump's superpower. He's not very smart otherwise. He sees weaknesses and exploits them to his own end. Past that, he's a big blob that harms everyone around him, including his own family. Trump did what he always does; pass the work down and take any credit when he likes. He'll throw Other People's Money at the problem but spending as little as possible of his own. Hire someone to take care of it, even his own kid, then walk away like the Stormy Daniels "problem".

    IMO, worked backwards, this chain will prove to be the undoing of someone in the Trump family. My #1 pick is Junior with Ivanka as #2. She's certainly got what a lot of Trump's idiots would die for.

    Jared is the smartest and, like Pence, turn a blind eye and walk away. Just my two cents worth.
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    Have a nice life Lionfish,

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionfish View Post
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    Done.

    Thanks for your honesty.

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