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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    She's a nasty evil fascist cunt, surely that's not even contestable.
    Another off the wall evaluation, by the Lord of Cretins.
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    Hello cawacko,

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    No Poli, it's not deflection. Often I'm happy to post links, data and info but if you really aren't aware of the amount of money we've spent on education then it's not worth my time. If you're interested then you'll read about it. And if you don't want to read, for example, that money goes to administrators and not the classroom and that's why teachers pay for their own supplies, then again its on you.

    At a certain you have to have interest in the topic.
    OK, so we agree then. Teacher pay has not been increased significantly.

    That's why it is possible to find examples of welfare recipients collecting more than a teacher is paid.

    Doesn't show much respect for teachers.

    And it doesn't inspire talented people to become teachers.

    Of course, that's not the whole problem with public education but it sure would help to have better teachers. Despair of poverty is also a huge factor in student performance. We really do have a lot of poor people in the USA. Parents who don't know how to be successful struggle to inspire self-confidence in their children, relegating poverty and lack of success to a cross-generational problem. Our public education system can hardly be expected to make up for uninspired parenting.

    It's almost like it would behoove the USA to pay the parents attend school alongside their children, and to embark on a program to not only educate children, but empower parents to be more successful as well.

    Maybe if we did that for a generation we could begin to break the cycle of poverty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello cawacko,



    OK, so we agree then. Teacher pay has not been increased significantly.

    That's why it is possible to find examples of welfare recipients collecting more than a teacher is paid.

    Doesn't show much respect for teachers.

    And it doesn't inspire talented people to become teachers.

    Of course, that's not the whole problem with public education but it sure would help to have better teachers. Despair of poverty is also a huge factor in student performance. We really do have a lot of poor people in the USA. Parents who don't know how to be successful struggle to inspire self-confidence in their children, relegating poverty and lack of success to a cross-generational problem. Our public education system can hardly be expected to make up for uninspired parenting.

    It's almost like it would behoove the USA to pay the parents attend school alongside their children, and to embark on a program to not only educate children, but empower parents to be more successful as well.

    Maybe if we did that for a generation we could begin to break the cycle of poverty.
    We were talking about funding for education, not teachers pay specifically.

    Yes, there many issues that factor into our education system. It's why I say while I support charter schools, and they are an improvement to our current system, they aren't a panacea because there are factors in a child's life that are outside of a school's control such as parental involvement, poverty etc. as you mentioned. And that relates to your original point that its somehow our education system's fault that people don't vote the way you want them to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    It has been an evolution over time from the Republicans.
    Sure thing loser.

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    Hello cawacko,

    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    We were talking about funding for education, not teachers pay specifically.

    Yes, there many issues that factor into our education system. It's why I say while I support charter schools, and they are an improvement to our current system, they aren't a panacea because there are factors in a child's life that are outside of a school's control such as parental involvement, poverty etc. as you mentioned. And that relates to your original point that its somehow our education system's fault that people don't vote the way you want them to.
    Here's what I said:

    "The sad part is there are still 33% who approve of his job performance.

    It represents a failure of our educational system."

    If we did a better job of educating our young, they would be better able to discern real news from fake news.

    If nobody believed fake news we would not have President Trump.

    Apparently a lot of people who previously believed him have given up on him. 33% is a pretty low approval percentage. It has been higher, although it never even went above 50%.

    I'm sure some of those people are sorry they ever believed the fake news.

    OAnon? Seriously? What garbage. No basis. But a lot of those capitol marauders believe the Q nonsense fake news.

    And they think CNN is 'the enemy of the people.'

    Guess who told them that baseless lie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Bill,



    Naturally, this assumes he just walks away and faces no criminal charges. Could put a huge wrinkle in any ideas of cashing in political capital...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinnabar View Post
    It's embarrassing for the USA that it's even that high.
    News polls are completely meaningless. Argument from randU fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Port Tack View Post
    Hey shithead, Trump still going to be president on the 21st
    Nope. His term ends on Jan 20th.
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    or have you come to the realization that your shithead is done yet?
    So is the Constitution of the United States.
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    I haven't seen any tweets from the shithead lately, oh that's right, he's fuckin banned from there. Guess we won't hear much from the asshole anymore huh?
    Already have. You and Big Tech can't control the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Port Tack,



    Interesting. I disagree. I wish we could test that.

    I think most people accept that Hillary won the popular vote but lost the EC.

    I would guess the figure would be <5%.
    Guess is exactly what it is. Argument from randU fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud9 View Post
    facts can be threatening to ideologies so people reject them.
    a fact, being true, carries a lot of ideological power, it can be highly disruptive to an ideology the fact is contrary to.
    it doesn't mean the ideology is wrong, though, it may be only superficially opposed by the fact, but still very difficult to counter.
    so, smart people learn to be careful around facts.
    but a dumb ideology is most dangerous of all, because it will reject a lot of important facts.
    so, try not to have any dumb ideologies.
    Buzzword fallacy. Learn what 'fact' means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    Trump is the only president to never have a Approval Rating of over 50%.

    Pathetic. Worst president in American History. Last week solidified his failed legacy in the history books.
    Random number. You are making numbers up again. Argument from randU fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into The Night
    Public schools??? You mean those institutions that teach kids to put condoms on bananas? That teach a tomato is a vegetable? That teach the Church of Global Warming and the Church of Green? That teach that corporations are EVIL?
    Quote Originally Posted by DonaldvoTrumpovich View Post
    There you go with more Chicken Little Scare Tactics. Your weak-minded Trump followers may buy what you're spewing but the average person knows you're just suffering from irrational delusions.
    What is a scare tactic about describing what schools are teaching??? Are you denying that schools have sex education classes? Are you denying that schools teach tomatoes are vegetables? You are denying the classes in Climate Change (whatever THAT is)? Are you really going to sit there and deny your own rhetoric?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Random number. You are making numbers up again. Argument from randU fallacy.
    So you still believe that Trump won the election by a landslide?

    Your answer will speak volumes about your credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The problem for right wing extremists
    Define 'right wing extremist'. Buzzword fallacy.
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    is they abandoned facts
    A 'fact' is not a 'Universal Truth'. Buzzword fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    way back when we tried to tell them that humans have caused climate change
    Define 'climate change'. Buzzword fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    and we have to adjust the way we process energy.
    Energy isn't 'processed'. Buzzword fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Once the hard right figured out they don't have to argue what to do about a problem if they simply deny the problem exists,
    Define 'the problem'. Buzzword fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    they adopted the new strategy of simply denying facts.
    Buzzword fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    That disastrous ideology has expanded into nearly every issue since. Instead of arguing with the left, they don't even listen to the left. Instead, they make up their own version of what the left says and respond to that.
    You aren't saying anything. You are just spewing meaningless buzzwords.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The right knows that if they accept facts, they lose the argument of what to do about the big issues.
    'Fact' does not mean 'Universal Truth'. Buzzword fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    So they just poison the whole debate from the outset.
    Fallacy fallacy. You are not debating. You are not even making an argument. You are just spewing meaningless buzzwords.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    That way they can't lose. (In their minds) In reality, we all lose because we can't make any progress.
    Define 'progress'. Buzzword fallacy.
    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Vitally important issues go unaddressed because the only way for either side to get anything done is without the consent of the other side. If one side gets the majority and tries to pass something, the other side works to undo it, or make sure it does not succeed.
    Define 'succeed'. Buzzword fallacy.


    No argument presented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    What is a scare tactic about describing what schools are teaching??? Are you denying that schools have sex education classes? Are you denying that schools teach tomatoes are vegetables? You are denying the classes in Climate Change (whatever THAT is)? Are you really going to sit there and deny your own rhetoric?????
    Hopefully one day you'll realize how much of a fool posting these silly Chicken Little scare tactics makes you look.

    Guess what? The sky isn't falling, Gomer.
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