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    Default Remember when the right told us they all believed in Federalism?

    It was only ten months ago we were all hearing how Trump didn’t f*ck up Covid testing, or it wasn’t his fault needed Medical supplies weren’t getting to the States, he was only recognizing Federalism, letting the States address the virus on their own rather than following a Federal guided strategy

    And now today, they support Trump’s effort to have the States’ Presidential vote, the vote the States have confirmed as conclusive, thrown out by Congress, the Federal Government. So much for holding Federalism as a guiding principle

    If Trump has taught America anything it is that conservative principles are defined and redefined by the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It was only ten months ago we were all hearing how Trump didn’t f*ck up Covid testing, or it wasn’t his fault needed Medical supplies weren’t getting to the States, he was only recognizing Federalism, letting the States address the virus on their own rather than following a Federal guided strategy

    And now today, they support Trump’s effort to have the States’ Presidential vote, the vote the States have confirmed as conclusive, thrown out by Congress, the Federal Government. So much for holding Federalism as a guiding principle

    If Trump has taught America anything it is that conservative principles are defined and redefined by the moment
    maybe,when you start caring about federalism, you would have some credibility criticizing the other side for it's failure in supporting federalism.............just saying...........stones in glass houses and all
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Hello archives,

    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    It was only ten months ago we were all hearing how Trump didn’t f*ck up Covid testing, or it wasn’t his fault needed Medical supplies weren’t getting to the States, he was only recognizing Federalism, letting the States address the virus on their own rather than following a Federal guided strategy

    And now today, they support Trump’s effort to have the States’ Presidential vote, the vote the States have confirmed as conclusive, thrown out by Congress, the Federal Government. So much for holding Federalism as a guiding principle

    If Trump has taught America anything it is that conservative principles are defined and redefined by the moment
    Trump has no principles.

    Any which appear to exist only exist in appearance only at the whims of his ego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    maybe,when you start caring about federalism, you would have some credibility criticizing the other side for it's failure in supporting federalism.............just saying...........stones in glass houses and all
    Well, for beginners, those that lean left going back to the Founding Fathers recognized Federalism but didn’t hold it as a guiding principle as supposedly those on the right say they do, but as we’ve seen with Trump, only when it works for them, so your deflection is irrelevant

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchovies View Post
    It was only ten months ago we were all hearing how Trump didn’t f*ck up Covid testing, or it wasn’t his fault needed Medical supplies weren’t getting to the States, he was only recognizing Federalism, letting the States address the virus on their own rather than following a Federal guided strategy And now today, they support Trump’s effort to have the States’ Presidential vote, the vote the States have confirmed as conclusive, thrown out by Congress, the Federal Government. So much for holding Federalism as a guiding principle If Trump has taught America anything it is that conservative principles are defined and redefined by the moment
    Not the same thing.

    Congressional DEMOCRATS objected to three presidential elections in 2001, 2005, and 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello archives,



    Trump has no principles.

    Any which appear to exist only exist in appearance only at the whims of his ego.
    We’ve known that, his only guiding principle is how it profits Trump, but it is the right who we’ve seen with Trump easily abandon all those principles they told anyone who would listen were the foundation of conservatism

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Well, for beginners, those that lean left going back to the Founding Fathers recognized Federalism but didn’t hold it as a guiding principle as supposedly those on the right say they do, but as we’ve seen with Trump, only when it works for them, so your deflection is irrelevant
    so you're saying that federalism is irrelevant? because those whose principles change with the wind are generally either weak willed and spineless, or only care about what they want, not what is supposed to be
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Not the same thing.

    Congressional DEMOCRATS objected to three presidential elections in 2001, 2005, and 2017.
    “Copy and paste” returns with the same lame irrelevant deflection he has been using the last few days to defend the right’s attempt to throw out the election, funny

    Let me explain it to you again, for years we have been listening conservatives tell us how Federalism was a guiding principle, how just ten months ago that Trump didn’t f*ck up the Covid response, he was letting the States address the virus on their own following the principle of Federalism

    And today, many of those same conservatives, and Trumpkins as you, support Trump’s effort to have the States’ Presidential vote, the vote the States have confirmed as conclusive, thrown out by Congress, the Federal Government. Appears the right has a selective application of Federalism, when it works for them they believe it, when it doesn’t, it is irrelevant

    And don’t regurgitate what the Democrats did, already showed you how it is apples and oranges, besides the fact those that lean left going back to the Founding Fathers recognized Federalism but didn’t hold it as a guiding principle as supposedly those on the right say they do, which they don’t

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    Well we know now that was Bull Shit
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    The Republican voter doesn’t do much thinking

    For a couple of decades they have been merely repeating what Fox and right wing radio tell them to say

    They will repeat what they are told without much thought to what it means


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    Quote Originally Posted by anchovies View Post
    “Copy and paste” returns with the same lame irrelevant deflection he has been using the last few days to defend the right’s attempt to throw out the election, funny Let me explain it to you again, for years we have been listening conservatives tell us how Federalism was a guiding principle, how just ten months ago that Trump didn’t f*ck up the Covid response, he was letting the States address the virus on their own following the principle of Federalism And today, many of those same conservatives, and Trumpkins as you, support Trump’s effort to have the States’ Presidential vote, the vote the States have confirmed as conclusive, thrown out by Congress, the Federal Government. Appears the right has a selective application of Federalism, when it works for them they believe it, when it doesn’t, it is irrelevant And don’t regurgitate what the Democrats did, already showed you how it is apples and oranges, besides the fact those that lean left going back to the Founding Fathers recognized Federalism but didn’t hold it as a guiding principle as supposedly those on the right say they do, which they don’t
    It has nothing to do with federalism, Anchovies.

    Under the Electoral Count Act of 1887, which was passed after the contested election of 1876 in which several states sent rival sets of electors, it is up to Congress to settle any disputes about state certifications.

    If at least one member of the House and Senate raise an objection about a state’s results, it must be considered, immediately halting the joint session so members can return to their respective chambers and debate the challenge for up to two hours. Then a vote — decided by a simple majority — is held to determine whether to throw out that state’s results.

    That's the law, and it's the same law that Congressional DEMOCRATS used to object to the certification of the 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections.

    You didn't bleat about "federalism" then, AFAIK and bleating about it now isn't germane, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    so you're saying that federalism is irrelevant? because those whose principles change with the wind are generally either weak willed and spineless, or only care about what they want, not what is supposed to be
    Really?

    Never said that, nor anything close to that, rather that, tracing throughout American History, Federalism was recognized by the left, but not one of their guiding principles. However, the right has always said it was important to them, was one of their main tenets, yet we see today they really don’t give a rat’s about it, or as we have seen with Trump, many of the other supposed major principles of conservatism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarterthanfew View Post
    so you're saying that federalism is irrelevant? because those whose principles change with the wind are generally either weak willed and spineless, or only care about what they want, not what is supposed to be
    You're missing the point.

    The Electoral Count Act of 1887 has been on the books for well over a century, and it has nothing to do with federalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anchovies View Post
    Really? Never said that, nor anything close to that, rather that, tracing throughout American History, Federalism was recognized by the left, but not one of their guiding principles. However, the right has always said it was important to them, was one of their main tenets, yet we see today they really don’t give a rat’s about it, or as we have seen with Trump, many of the other supposed major principles of conservatism
    The Electoral Count Act of 1887 has nothing to do with federalism or Trump, Anchovies.

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