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    Prop 8 passed.
    "Do not think that I came to bring peace... I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

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    America is still full of bigots and rubes.

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    It all passed by a 4 point margin. This is going to be fought again for a long time, until a measure is passed allowing it again.

    It is just amazing, the cruelty of men. These people had waited their entire life to get married, and then ignorance just takes it away. This is not only wrong, this is evil.
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    i agree, this is the big downer to come out of yesterday. here's the good news - the way your generation doesn't see race the same way my generation and older did/does, they don't give a shit about orientation either. so this has only one direction to go in, and that's forward.

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    It seems like they could successfully challenge it in the courts somehow...maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ib1yysguy View Post
    It seems like they could successfully challenge it in the courts somehow...maybe.
    The state constitution blocks any talk about the issue, and federal courts have had their jurisidction stripped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darla View Post
    i agree, this is the big downer to come out of yesterday. here's the good news - the way your generation doesn't see race the same way my generation and older did/does, they don't give a shit about orientation either. so this has only one direction to go in, and that's forward.
    Young voters voted against it in bigger numbers than older voters.
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    But Washington state passed assisted suicide ?
    Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
    Proving tax cuts work!

    Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
    The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.

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    I'm stunned.
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    Black voters voted in favor of it by a very wide margin.

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    Nope. Not in California, I'm afraid. You see, we (foolishly) allow our state constitution to be amended by a simple majority vote. This mean-spirited piece of bigotry is now written into the constitution.

    It's not a coincidence that our state constitution is by far the longest of the fifty. It's over 150 pages long when printed in 10 point type and it grows with every election.

    Two years from now we'll come back with an amendment negating this one, you watch. And every two years afterwards until it comes out right . . . after which the other side will do the same.
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    You can negate an amendment with an amendment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    I'm stunned.
    yes I expect so and it will last quite a while living in a blue state and all that.
    Bush doubled the debt from 5 trillion to 10 trillion.
    Proving tax cuts work!

    Bush asked for and signed for the TARP money.
    The Republican senate leader backed Bush on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ib1yysguy View Post
    You can negate an amendment with an amendment?
    Of course. Consider, for example, the 18th and 21st amendments to the U.S. constitution: the 21st explicitly repeals the 18th (prohibition of alcohol).
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    Don't worry Watermark, keep up the fight. Someday you'll be able to marry the man you love.

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