Was dropping the Bomb on Japan racist?

[Doc Dutch]

It still is that way. Programs the Democrats support prove they believe blacks are inferior.

While I agree Democrats have institutionalized racism in order to help**, that does not negate the fact Republicans continue to exhibit racism on a daily basis.

**The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

[CFM]

While I agree Democrats have institutionalized racism in order to help**, that does not negate the fact Republicans continue to exhibit racism on a daily basis.

**The Road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

What daily racism?

[Doc Dutch]

...A transcript of a top-level call between two military experts on August 13 reveals details of this “third shot.” It also confirmed that a vast production line of about 12 other atomic bombs was being readied for additional continuous strikes against other key targets.

It was agreed this next bomb would be available to be dropped on August 19, with a schedule of further bombs available throughout September and October....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-pla...bombs-on-japan

That's an interesting revelation. It means the US had the nuclear capability of taking down the Soviet Union by October.

[Doc Dutch]

What daily racism?

Republicans have their own institutionalized racism. A key example is Voter ID. I support ensuring our election system to be as secure as possible, but when it's used as a backdoor poll tax or in an effort to disenfranchise certain demographics, then it's anti-American to do so.

That said, two wrongs don't make a right. It's important to maximize our nation's potential which means maximizing the potential of its citizens. Doing so in a racist manner doesn't help in the long run.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-s...le-for-years-1

[CFM]

Republicans have their own institutionalized racism. A key example is Voter ID. I support ensuring our election system to be as secure as possible, but when it's used as a backdoor poll tax or in an effort to disenfranchise certain demographics, then it's anti-American to do so.

That said, two wrongs don't make a right. It's important to maximize our nation's potential which means maximizing the potential of its citizens. Doing so in a racist manner doesn't help in the long run.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-s...le-for-years-1

Voter ID isn't racist. Had those whining about being disenfranchised been required to do things above and beyond what whites had to do in order to get an ID, that claim could be made. Is that the claim you're making?

[cordeela]

In self defence all bets are off. The question of "racism" is not valid nor rational.

[Cypress]

Ummmm....I'd like to see data on that one. The Soviet Union wouldn't have survived the Nazis without US supplies, but it also wouldn't have survived without the courage and sacrifice of Soviet soldiers.

People say all kinds of stupid shit....especially on JPP.

Try out Trinnity's (note the spelling) Stormfront-light "the politics forums". Pure, 100% synthesize Right Wing Nut Job. Only the second website I've been permabanned in over 30 years.

Opinions obviously vary, and the P51 is universally regarded as a top tier WW2 fighter, but this is what a French ace said about the Yak

World War 2 French ace, Marcel Albert, considered the Yak to be a far superior aircraft to the Spitfire and P-51D Mustang, having flown the Yak in the USSR.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.war...anaka.html/amp

Indeed, the Soviet military forces benefited immensely from British and American supply convoys. And it took a few years for the Red Army to develop capable leadership after Stalin's purges of the professional officer corps.

I think what allowed the Soviet military forces to ultimately drive back and defeat the invading Nazis were high quality home-grown weapons: T-34 tank, Yak fighter planes, Katyusha rockets, AK 47 assault rifles - and the sheer determination of Soviet citizens" partisan militia units, and the average soldier.

WW2 was a team effort, and any one nation would have been hard pressed to destroy Nazi Germany on their own.

[Doc Dutch]

Voter ID isn't racist. Had those whining about being disenfranchised been required to do things above and beyond what whites had to do in order to get an ID, that claim could be made. Is that the claim you're making?

Neither is lynching per se. It depends upon how it's used. Lynching cattle rustlers and horse thieves was frontier justice albeit not always just . (e.g. The Ox-Bow Incident) Lynching people just because of their skin tone is racist.

In the case of Voter ID, it took a minor problem and inflated it into a big problem as a backdoor poll tax which makes the current use of Voter ID racist. This is why many instances of Voter ID were shot down in court. Voter ID can be used to legitimately increase election security without being racist, but that's not how the Republicans often chose to use it.

The non-racist, non-discriminatory way to implement Voter ID is to establish a longer implementation timeline such as 5 years and provide Federal IDs at cost with certain income levels being given IDs with state taxpayer funding. This concept could be used as a "legal resident" card for employment and renting/buying residences as part of a program to eliminate illegal immigration. Of course, such a plan has some dark 1984 implications too.

https://phys.org/news/2020-06-voter-...te-racial.html
In a study published in the journal Politics, Groups, and Identities, researchers focused on turnout changes across the 2012 and 2016 presidential elections in states that had recently passed strict photo voter ID laws: Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia and Wisconsin and compared those changes to other states with similar racial compositions that had not passed laws. They found the turnout gap between white counties and racially diverse counties grew more within states enacting new strict photo ID laws.

Such results lead to "an already significant racial skew in American democracy growing even more pronounced," according the authors.Contrary to previous studies on voter ID laws, the researchers used actual voter turnout data, rather than surveys gauging attitudes towards voting.

"By using official turnout data, we eliminate concerns over inflated or biased turnout patterns from self-reported surveys," said co-author Zoltan Hajnal, a professor of political science at the UC San Diego School of Global Policy and Strategy. "This analysis provides more precise evidence that strict voter ID laws appear to discriminate."

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-vo...ion-fact-sheet

[NiftyNiblick]

Voter ID was instituted because it was perceived by racist state politicians that more blacks than whites had neither a driver's license nor a passport.

Why do people bullshit when their pernicious motives are so obvious?

We have a problem where incredibly stupid rednecks don't realize how transparent they are to their intellectual and moral superiors,
and don't know enough to be embarrassed when they're malfeasance is exposed..

[Doc Dutch]

Opinions obviously vary, and the P51 is universally regarded as a top tier WW2 fighter, but this is what a French ace said about the Yak



Indeed, the Soviet military forces benefited immensely from British and American supply convoys. And it took a few years for the Red Army to develop capable leadership after Stalin's purges of the professional officer corps.

I think what allowed the Soviet military forces to ultimately drive back and defeat the invading Nazis were high quality home-grown weapons: T-34 tank, Yak fighter planes, Katyusha rockets, AK 47 assault rifles - and the sheer determination of Soviet citizens" partisan militia units, and the average soldier.

WW2 was a team effort, and any one nation would have been hard pressed to destroy Nazi Germany on their own.

Interesting data, but a bit apples to oranges.** Due to their short range, the Yak and Spitfires were more interceptors than long-range fighters like the P-51. Shooting down Ju-87 Stuka bombers/tank busters was relatively easy for any early WWII fighter because it was a flying pig. Shooting down Me-109s and FW-190s is much more impressive. Note too that, by 1944, the Luftwaffe was extremely short of experienced pilots and was literally sending up kids to complete missions. Between the two fronts, Germany was losing the war.


**BTW, the AK-47 didn't become operational until 1949. The main WWII Russian battle rifle remained the Mosin-Nagant although the Tokarev SVT series was entering wide service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...f_World_War_II

[CFM]

Neither is lynching per se. It depends upon how it's used. Lynching cattle rustlers and horse thieves was frontier justice albeit not always just . (e.g. The Ox-Bow Incident) Lynching people just because of their skin tone is racist.

In the case of Voter ID, it took a minor problem and inflated it into a big problem as a backdoor poll tax which makes the current use of Voter ID racist. This is why many instances of Voter ID were shot down in court. Voter ID can be used to legitimately increase election security without being racist, but that's not how the Republicans often chose to use it.

The non-racist, non-discriminatory way to implement Voter ID is to establish a longer implementation timeline such as 5 years and provide Federal IDs at cost with certain income levels being given IDs with state taxpayer funding. This concept could be used as a "legal resident" card for employment and renting/buying residences as part of a program to eliminate illegal immigration. Of course, such a plan has some dark 1984 implications too.

https://phys.org/news/2020-06-voter-...te-racial.html
In a study published in the journal Politics, Groups, and Identities, researchers focused on turnout changes across the 2012 and 2016 presidential elections in states that had recently passed strict photo voter ID laws: Alabama, Mississippi, Virginia and Wisconsin and compared those changes to other states with similar racial compositions that had not passed laws. They found the turnout gap between white counties and racially diverse counties grew more within states enacting new strict photo ID laws.

Such results lead to "an already significant racial skew in American democracy growing even more pronounced," according the authors.Contrary to previous studies on voter ID laws, the researchers used actual voter turnout data, rather than surveys gauging attitudes towards voting.

"By using official turnout data, we eliminate concerns over inflated or biased turnout patterns from self-reported surveys," said co-author Zoltan Hajnal, a professor of political science at the UC San Diego School of Global Policy and Strategy. "This analysis provides more precise evidence that strict voter ID laws appear to discriminate."

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-vo...ion-fact-sheet

Voter ID in any form is not racist unless it can be shown that the requirements are different based on race. It hasn't been shown.

[CFM]

Voter ID was instituted because it was perceived by racist state politicians that more blacks than whites had neither a driver's license nor a passport.

Why do people bullshit when their pernicious motives are so obvious?

We have a problem where incredibly stupid rednecks don't realize how transparent they are to their intellectual and moral superiors,
and don't know enough to be embarrassed when they're malfeasance is exposed..

The only thing that's been exposed is that you're an idiot. Whining and automatically calling it racism because you can't admit blacks aren't able to do even the most simple things is the problem. Anything that requires blacks to make a little effort is met with false claims of racism because you idiots on the left know they're incapable of doing them.

[Cypress]

Interesting data, but a bit apples to oranges.** Due to their short range, the Yak and Spitfires were more interceptors than long-range fighters like the P-51. Shooting down Ju-87 Stuka bombers/tank busters was relatively easy for any early WWII fighter because it was a flying pig. Shooting down Me-109s and FW-190s is much more impressive. Note too that, by 1944, the Luftwaffe was extremely short of experienced pilots and was literally sending up kids to complete missions. Between the two fronts, Germany was losing the war.


**BTW, the AK-47 didn't become operational until 1949. The main WWII Russian battle rifle remained the Mosin-Nagant although the Tokarev SVT series was entering wide service. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...f_World_War_II

Good point on apples to oranges - not fair to compare long range escorts to tactical short range fighters.

Oh, I forgot that AK47 came into service a few years later. The best small arms weapon in the Soviet stockpile imo was the PPSH-41 submachine gun. That is my favorite weapon in Call of Duty franchise WW2 video games. That thing just throws out a hailstorm of lead. British Sten and American Tommy gun are not in the same league.

But, best WW2 rifle = American M1 carbine.

[NiftyNiblick]

Good point on apples to oranges - not fair to compare long range escorts to tactical short range fighters.

Oh, I forgot that AK47 came into service a few years later. The best small arms weapon in the Soviet stockpile imo was the PPSH-41 submachine gun. That is my favorite weapon in Call of Duty franchise WW2 video games. That thing just throws out a hailstorm of lead. British Sten and American Tommy gun are not in the same league.

But, best WW2 rifle = American M1 carbine.

The carbine was a nice light weapon with no stopping power whatsoever.
It took a pistol length cartridge with a smaller, rifle size (30 caliber) diameter bullet,
but there was so much war surplus ammo up until the 1960s that civilian versions of it were popular for a while.
The ball ammo was illegal for hunting, but the caliber wasn't powerful enough for hunting anyway.
It was popular for plinking because the war surplus ammo was cheap.

Ruger made a single action western style revolver for that cartridge,
despite using rimless cartridges in a revolver not being the most convenient thing.

[Cypress]

The carbine was a nice light weapon with no stopping power whatsoever.
It took a pistol length cartridge with a smaller, rifle size (30 caliber) diameter bullet,
but there was so much war surplus ammo up until the 1960s that civilian versions of it were popular for a while.
The ball ammo was illegal for hunting, but the caliber wasn't powerful enough for hunting anyway.
It was popular for plinking because the war surplus ammo was cheap.

Ruger made a single action western style revolver for that cartridge,
despite using rimless cartridges in a revolver not being the most convenient thing.

I should have said M1 garand

I was thinking of my Papa's carbine