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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    To Geeko Sportivo: Moron. There is no free enterprise without free speech. Indeed, none of the constitutional freedoms can survive without freedom of speech —— with the one exception THAT SHOULD BE ABOLISHED:


    The only justification for a free press is when it maintains an antagonistic relationship towards government; every government —— liberal and conservative, democracy and dictatorship. America’s free press has not been antagonistic toward government in more than a century. Television actually promotes government as well as glorifying government parasites regardless of what they do; hence, freedom of the press is the one First Amendment freedom that is not worth defending.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...57#post2931557


    Notice that the press would still enjoy freedom of speech like the rest of us, but they would have to defend freedom of speech as a matter of self-interest instead of only defending their constitutional privilege while they feed the rest us to Socialist/Communist wolves.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...99#post3181699



    Just a reminder that:

    Then-First lady Hillary Clinton’s attack was the opening shot fired at freedom of speech:


    Many will recall 1998, when the Lewinsky debacle broke on The Drudge Report. Hillary said in response:


    “We’re all going to have to rethink how we deal with the Internet. As exciting as these new developments are, there are a number of serious issues without any kind of editing function or gatekeeping function…"

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...60#post2768160

    p.s. One well-organized presentation of facts is worth more than a thousand well-intentioned erratic commentaries stating the same facts.

    A big attaboy to Canada Free Press’ Andrew Benjamin for bringing order to everything government media lies about.


    THEY FIRST TOOK CONTROL OF THE MEDIA
    By Andrew G. Benjamin
    December 7, 2020

    https://canadafreepress.com/article/...l-of-the-media
    The lame brain media in this country is nothing more than a whore of the leftist pimps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Before I begin let me say I agree 100% with you that facething and Twart should be free to control speech on their private sites. Now having said that just like you aren't called a cunt for no reason you can come other trumptards. Here's what you stupid fucks can't seem to get through the granite blocks that pass for your brains you cunts claim to be tolerant but the LAST fucking thing you are is tolerant. This is exactly not only why I call you cunts but you are in fact cunts.
    You want people to tolerate lies and bullshit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    You want people to tolerate lies and bullshit?
    No I don't want you cunts telling people what's lies and what's bullshit. That's what you stupid fucking idiots can't seem to get through your fucking skulls. Who the fuck died and left you in charge of deciding whats a lie and what's bullshit? Exactly how fucking pompous are you assholes? People can decide for themselves whats lies and what's bullshit but you fucking idiots don't actually want that do you? You need to control the fucking narrative. Its why you need people to be stupid and afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    if China Joe Biden steals the election.


    It is a bit of a stretch to say that falsely yelling FIRE! in a crowded theater would cause thinking humans to trample one another in their rush to the exits. Since the FIRE! ruling was overturned, I have not heard that millions of American theatergoers are trampled to death. As a matter of fact no one in the Twin Towers was trampled when they knew those buildings were on fire.

    So what protected theatergoers before 1919?

    My understanding of the FIRE! restraint on free speech is that political free speech would remain absolute, but not all speech would be so blessed. At least that is what the High Court seemed to be saying at the time. That one prohibition appeared to be reasonable on the face of it. Since then political free speech is no longer absolute; right along with every other kind.

    Would the Nifty Nine from a bygone era have made that pronouncement had they known that Intelligent Design, campaign finance reform, and banning politically incorrect speech would follow? It is impossible to say.

    Incidentally, how many times did the words “limited speech” appear in print, commentaries, High Court decisions, etc., prior to 1919? How many times did James Madison invoke those words?

    It is no secret that all governments just love protecting meaningless speech. In the real world offensive speech requires the most protection, not touchy-feely sermons.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...57#post2931557

    Abolishing freedom of speech became a Democrat Party conspiracy on the day government media lost their monopoly on public discourse. Jonathan Turley’s warning is one Supreme Court ruling away from legitimated the conspiracy; i.e. ruling in favor of a lying thief and everything China Joe Biden promises:


    A prominent liberal lawyer who has been involved in some of America's highest-profile constitutional disputes is warning of an alarming rollback of free speech in Western nations.

    The latest is the adoption by Norway of a criminal law that punishes people for "hate speech" toward transgender people in private conversations, noted Jonathan Turley, a professor of law at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

    "Such speech controls in Europe have led to a chilling effect on political and religious speech," Turley wrote. "In their homes, people will often share religious and political views that depart from majoritarian values or beliefs. This law would regulate those conversations and criminalize the expression of prohibited viewpoints."

    Turley said the "most chilling fact" for Americans is that "European-style speech controls have become a core value in the Democratic Party."

    NOTE: When Stuttering Joe Biden was a kid he hated everyone who spoke without stuttering because they made him feel inferior. Biden’s hatred now includes the printed word and pictures.


    "Once a party that fought for free speech, it has become the party demanding Internet censorship and hate speech laws," he said. "President-Elect Joe Biden has called for speech controls and recently appointed a transition head for agency media issues that is one of the most pronounced anti-free speech figures in the United States. It is a trend that seems now to be find support in the media, which celebrated the speech of French President Emmanuel Macron before Congress where he called on the United States to follow the model of Europe on hate speech."

    Turley warned that "the very right that has long defined us as a nation" hangs in the balance.

    "Once we cross the Rubicon into speech criminalization and controls, Europe has shown that it is rarely possible to work back to liberties lost," he argued. "We are moving into potentially the most anti-free speech period of American history — and possibly the most anti-free speech administration."

    Turley noted that many politicians are already arguing for citizens to give up their free speech rights in forums such as the internet.

    "With the media echoing many of these anti-free speech sentiments, it will require a greater effort of those who value the First Amendment and its core place in our constitutional system."

    Reuters reported Norway's law punishes "hate speech" against transgenders in public with up to three years in prison. If convicted of making the remarks in private, the term would be one year.

    Meanwhile, in Scotland, the justice minister has announced he intends to clamp down on "hate speech" in private homes under a new bill that critics warn could make possessing the Bible a crime.

    The bill leaves out a crucial defense included in other U.K. hate crime legislation protecting conversations in the home from police intervention, free speech advocates point out, according to the U.K.'s Christian Institute.

    Humza Haroon Yousaf, the cabinet secretary for justice, issued the warning in a conversation with the Justice Committee about the proposed legislation.

    The Christian Institute said Yousaf is refusing to provide a "dwelling defense," insisting that "hateful speech" in the home should be criminalized.

    Lord Bracadale, the judge whose recommendations led to the bill, later advised members of the Scottish Parliament that they should think carefully about allowing a public order offense to extend into the private sphere.

    He said concern about such actions is "well-founded."

    The Times of London reported the justice secretary said conversations over the dinner table that incite hatred must be prosecuted under the law.

    It noted that journalists and theater directors also could face charges if what they write is perceived as deliberately stoking "prejudice."

    A move similar to Scotland's also is being considered in England and Wales. The Law Commission, in a 540-page government document, has disclosed plans to lower the threshold for hate crimes, including criminalizing so-called "hate speech" in private dwellings, the U.K.'s Christian Institute said.

    Harry Miller, a former police officer who founded Fair Cop, warned that if the private home law is adopted, a "comment over the dinner table about a huge range of people could lead to a prison sentence."

    Sarah Phillimore, a family law attorney, said: "I cannot believe the government is being asked to consider surveillance of citizens in their own home. How will the evidence of such hate crimes be collected? Will we have an East German-style secret police like the Stasi?"

    The Law Commission report said that stirring up division over "race, religion or sexual orientation" in homes should be criminalized.


    Jonathan Turley: Criminalization of private speech coming to U.S.
    European-style controls now 'core value in the Democratic Party'
    By WND Staff
    Published December 6, 2020 at 4:16pm

    https://www.wnd.com/2020/12/jonathan...ch-coming-u-s/
    that was a stupid fuck article even for world net daily!! ding! ding! ding! dumbest fucking post of the day!! kudos!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy View Post
    that was a stupid fuck article even for world net daily!! ding! ding! ding! dumbest fucking post of the day!! kudos!!
    That makes yours the dumbest fucking response of the day you stupid bitch. No kudos to you for being a stupid bitch. Respond bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    No I don't want you cunts telling people what's lies and what's bullshit. That's what you stupid fucking idiots can't seem to get through your fucking skulls. Who the fuck died and left you in charge of deciding whats a lie and what's bullshit? Exactly how fucking pompous are you assholes? People can decide for themselves whats lies and what's bullshit but you fucking idiots don't actually want that do you? You need to control the fucking narrative. Its why you need people to be stupid and afraid.
    Wow. You need to chill out.

    Facts:

    Evolution is true.
    Heliocentrism is true.
    Global warming is true.
    COVID-19 exists.
    There was no mass voter fraud. Biden won the election fairly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    Wow. You need to chill out.

    Facts:

    Evolution is true.
    Heliocentrism is true.
    Global warming is true.
    COVID-19 exists.
    There was no mass voter fraud. Biden won the election fairly.
    Oh that's right this from a believer in truth over facts. Therein lies your problem but its stupidity or blindness that keeps you from seeing it. Care to guess which I think it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flanders View Post
    if China Joe Biden steals the election.


    It is a bit of a stretch to say that falsely yelling FIRE! in a crowded theater would cause thinking humans to trample one another in their rush to the exits. Since the FIRE! ruling was overturned, I have not heard that millions of American theatergoers are trampled to death. As a matter of fact no one in the Twin Towers was trampled when they knew those buildings were on fire.

    So what protected theatergoers before 1919?

    My understanding of the FIRE! restraint on free speech is that political free speech would remain absolute, but not all speech would be so blessed. At least that is what the High Court seemed to be saying at the time. That one prohibition appeared to be reasonable on the face of it. Since then political free speech is no longer absolute; right along with every other kind.

    Would the Nifty Nine from a bygone era have made that pronouncement had they known that Intelligent Design, campaign finance reform, and banning politically incorrect speech would follow? It is impossible to say.

    Incidentally, how many times did the words “limited speech” appear in print, commentaries, High Court decisions, etc., prior to 1919? How many times did James Madison invoke those words?

    It is no secret that all governments just love protecting meaningless speech. In the real world offensive speech requires the most protection, not touchy-feely sermons.

    https://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...57#post2931557

    Abolishing freedom of speech became a Democrat Party conspiracy on the day government media lost their monopoly on public discourse. Jonathan Turley’s warning is one Supreme Court ruling away from legitimated the conspiracy; i.e. ruling in favor of a lying thief and everything China Joe Biden promises:


    A prominent liberal lawyer who has been involved in some of America's highest-profile constitutional disputes is warning of an alarming rollback of free speech in Western nations.

    The latest is the adoption by Norway of a criminal law that punishes people for "hate speech" toward transgender people in private conversations, noted Jonathan Turley, a professor of law at George Washington University in Washington, D.C.

    "Such speech controls in Europe have led to a chilling effect on political and religious speech," Turley wrote. "In their homes, people will often share religious and political views that depart from majoritarian values or beliefs. This law would regulate those conversations and criminalize the expression of prohibited viewpoints."

    Turley said the "most chilling fact" for Americans is that "European-style speech controls have become a core value in the Democratic Party."

    NOTE: When Stuttering Joe Biden was a kid he hated everyone who spoke without stuttering because they made him feel inferior. Biden’s hatred now includes the printed word and pictures.


    "Once a party that fought for free speech, it has become the party demanding Internet censorship and hate speech laws," he said. "President-Elect Joe Biden has called for speech controls and recently appointed a transition head for agency media issues that is one of the most pronounced anti-free speech figures in the United States. It is a trend that seems now to be find support in the media, which celebrated the speech of French President Emmanuel Macron before Congress where he called on the United States to follow the model of Europe on hate speech."

    Turley warned that "the very right that has long defined us as a nation" hangs in the balance.

    "Once we cross the Rubicon into speech criminalization and controls, Europe has shown that it is rarely possible to work back to liberties lost," he argued. "We are moving into potentially the most anti-free speech period of American history — and possibly the most anti-free speech administration."

    Turley noted that many politicians are already arguing for citizens to give up their free speech rights in forums such as the internet.

    "With the media echoing many of these anti-free speech sentiments, it will require a greater effort of those who value the First Amendment and its core place in our constitutional system."

    Reuters reported Norway's law punishes "hate speech" against transgenders in public with up to three years in prison. If convicted of making the remarks in private, the term would be one year.

    Meanwhile, in Scotland, the justice minister has announced he intends to clamp down on "hate speech" in private homes under a new bill that critics warn could make possessing the Bible a crime.

    The bill leaves out a crucial defense included in other U.K. hate crime legislation protecting conversations in the home from police intervention, free speech advocates point out, according to the U.K.'s Christian Institute.

    Humza Haroon Yousaf, the cabinet secretary for justice, issued the warning in a conversation with the Justice Committee about the proposed legislation.

    The Christian Institute said Yousaf is refusing to provide a "dwelling defense," insisting that "hateful speech" in the home should be criminalized.

    Lord Bracadale, the judge whose recommendations led to the bill, later advised members of the Scottish Parliament that they should think carefully about allowing a public order offense to extend into the private sphere.

    He said concern about such actions is "well-founded."

    The Times of London reported the justice secretary said conversations over the dinner table that incite hatred must be prosecuted under the law.

    It noted that journalists and theater directors also could face charges if what they write is perceived as deliberately stoking "prejudice."

    A move similar to Scotland's also is being considered in England and Wales. The Law Commission, in a 540-page government document, has disclosed plans to lower the threshold for hate crimes, including criminalizing so-called "hate speech" in private dwellings, the U.K.'s Christian Institute said.

    Harry Miller, a former police officer who founded Fair Cop, warned that if the private home law is adopted, a "comment over the dinner table about a huge range of people could lead to a prison sentence."

    Sarah Phillimore, a family law attorney, said: "I cannot believe the government is being asked to consider surveillance of citizens in their own home. How will the evidence of such hate crimes be collected? Will we have an East German-style secret police like the Stasi?"

    The Law Commission report said that stirring up division over "race, religion or sexual orientation" in homes should be criminalized.


    Jonathan Turley: Criminalization of private speech coming to U.S.
    European-style controls now 'core value in the Democratic Party'
    By WND Staff
    Published December 6, 2020 at 4:16pm

    https://www.wnd.com/2020/12/jonathan...ch-coming-u-s/
    Huge if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Don't you know that speech people dont like is "inflammatory"? Dont you know that making people feeling "uncomfortable" is now a punishable offense unless of course you're a leftist in which case you can say whatever the fuck you like?

    Did you see the recent story about the skank sister of the skank cyrus? I can't believe we will have another one of these cunts to contend with but that's modern culture for you. Anyway the younger sister cunt of the older sister cunt called Candace Owens a "nappy ass heaux". When she got kickback about it she claimed she didn't know the term nappy was racist. She's either stupid a liar or a leftist. Remember when Don Imus called the Rutgers women's basketball team, nappy headed hos? These fucking low life's are a blite on America
    Don't you know that people don't like dumb people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Oh that's right this from a believer in truth over facts. Therein lies your problem but its stupidity or blindness that keeps you from seeing it. Care to guess which I think it is?
    Nobody cares what you think. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    I think this has more to do with FREE enterprise than FREE speech.

    Companies should be free to run their own business the way they see fit.

    Media outlets like Facebook or Twitter are FREE to ban users and or their comments according to their own rules- THAT THEY ARE FREE TO HAVE AND HOLD!

    FREE SPEECH MY ASS IDIOTS!

    Has absolutely nothing to do with FREE speech!

    This just goes to show you how TRUMPTARDS conflate issues, and get off onto tangents and wild goose chases beating dead horses using hysteria, Fake News, Conspiracy Theories, and sensationalism.

    THEY DON'T CALL THEM TRUMPTARDS WITHOUT A REASON!
    The day Biden takes office is the day they put the Statue of Liberty into a body bag. There goes the world's last chance at anything but misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldjoint View Post
    The day Biden takes office is the day they put the Statue of Liberty into a body bag. There goes the world's last chance at anything but misery.
    i HOPE YOU SHART YOUR BRITCHES OVER IT! blahahahaha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    i HOPE YOU SHART YOUR BRITCHES OVER IT! blahahahaha!
    The Supreme Court will end up giving Trump 62 more electoral votes when it declares the election if four states violated the Constitution and their own laws. Taking them away from Braindead China Joe.

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    It's the Republican Party that cannot survive in a democracy.
    They're a decreasing minority that depends on gerrymandering and voter suppression to survive.

    Free speech is a function of democracy, and democracy is the enemy of republicans.
    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson, 1775
    Religion....is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx, 1848
    Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Kris Kristofferson, 1969

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    What a shame that you dumbfuck racist morons can't stockpile hate speech like you do ammo and guns. What a shame that you think that our country's freedoms mean that you can run around yelling n-word this and c-word that with no consequences. How terrible that private communications businesses won't let you use their platforms to spread hate, instigate violence, and try to stupid-ize other idiots like yourself.

    Sucks to be an ostracized piece of shit, doesn't it?
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