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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    True, you can find similar cases for probably all elections both parties going back as far as you like, can recall reading about Nixon supporters echoing dead people in Chicago giving JFK the election, but none of that is comparable to today.

    Frist off, no exiting President or losing candidate led the charges, nor did a large segment of Democrats buy into it the way the right today is buying into and echoing the Trump's fabrications

    The theoretical question remains, if you actually believe that Trump was robbed you obviously don't believe in the election process, so why would you vote?

    (and if I am not mistaken, USC just lost their top recruit for next year, correct?)
    He wasn't the top recruit we are targeting but he's a stud 4* QB and it hurts to lose him. Reality is it had been rumored for awhile so it wasn't surprising. We have another big time QB committed and are chasing a 4* QB in Utah as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    We have case studies in liberals who claim Bush stole the '00 & '04 elections and Trump stole '16. Did any of those folks vote in future elections?

    This is new for the right. We'll find out here soon enough in the GA Senate runoff how many choose not to vote again.
    You keep conflating things. We think the electoral system is a bogus vote and it should be one person one vote. Both these times a decided winner had less votes and lost in all normal realities. It really fucks over people in swing states when it's so close it can be contested and still only one gets all the spoils. Trump lost both by a long shot and is just making shit up. He was the equivalent to the boy crying wolf before there were any sheep. He even said the one he won wasn't good enough for him and called it fraudulent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneByStone View Post
    I think at this point, we all know the "irregularities" aren't nearly enough to change the outcome.
    Trump's best shot now is to get some faithless electors on his side.
    Trumps best shot now is to keep showing that there is indeed voter fraud going on in this country. Not to overturn the vote. Just to show that Democrats are full of shit when they say it does not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    He wasn't the top recruit we are targeting but he's a stud 4* QB and it hurts to lose him. Reality is it had been rumored for awhile so it wasn't surprising. We have another big time QB committed and are chasing a 4* QB in Utah as well.
    And the coach, is the guy from Penn State on this way? Two more wins over apparently weaker rivals and they are in the championship game, tough to toss a winning coach who gives them a shot at the Rose Bowl, even though no one can go to the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Trumps best shot now is to keep showing that there is indeed voter fraud going on in this country. Not to overturn the vote. Just to show that Democrats are full of shit when they say it does not exist.
    Poopeye, how much have you donated to Trump's Save America Fund??????????????????????
    Lock Him Up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Trumps best shot now is to keep showing that there is indeed voter fraud going on in this country. Not to overturn the vote. Just to show that Democrats are full of shit when they say it does not exist.
    "keep?" He ain't done it yet, everything he has raised has been either debunked or tossed in a Court of Law, hate to tell you there "popeye," but Trump has been pushing fiction for his own benfit, have you sent him a check yet for his supposed legal fund? He could use a new dozen monogramed golf balls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Trumps best shot now is to keep showing that there is indeed voter fraud going on in this country. Not to overturn the vote. Just to show that Democrats are full of shit when they say it does not exist.
    Well he's tried that and nearly all of his cases have gotten thrown out. His star witness turned out to be a drunk Karen, Sidney Powell turned out to be too crazy even for Trump, and Rudy can't stop humiliating himself.
    They tried over forty cases and all but one have been thrown out. And the one that wasn't thrown out wasn't even about voter fraud.

    So, keep us posted, but it looks like this strategy has failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "keep?" He ain't done it yet, everything he has raised has been either debunked or tossed in a Court of Law, hate to tell you there "popeye," but Trump has been pushing fiction for his own benfit, have you sent him a check yet for his supposed legal fund? He could use a new dozen monogramed golf balls
    There has been plenty of voter fraud shown. And arrests already. So, ah ' "Archives" get your NYC head out of your ass. Do not think for a moment that voter fraud will not affect Democrats at some point. Of course you are to fucking stupid to realize this entire thing is way above partisan politics.

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    Going entirely to by-mail elections would unwisely endanger the security and integrity of the election process, particularly if officials automatically mail absentee ballots to all registered voters without a signed, authenticated request from each voter.

    Voter registration rolls are notoriously inaccurate and out of date, containing the names of voters who are deceased, have moved, or otherwise have become ineligible.

    Having thousands of ballots arriving in the mail for individuals who no longer reside at a registered address risks those ballots being stolen and voted.

    Yet many liberals are pushing that very process.

    The coronavirus bill that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., tried to pass would have forced states to mail absentee ballots to all registered voters, rather than allowing states to require a signed, absentee ballot request form that can be authenticated by election officials before a ballot is sent to the voter.

    Opportunity for Fraud

    The problem (and opportunity for fraud) this could cause is illustrated by something the president talked about at one of his news conferences; namely, the settlement that Judicial Watch obtained from Los Angeles and the state of California over their failure to maintain the accuracy of their voter registration rolls.

    The state and LA agreed to remove from the rolls 1.5 million individuals who remained registered even though they no longer were eligible to vote. Imagine what would have happened if 1.5 million ballots were simply mailed out to all of those individuals to addresses where they no longer live.

    Ballots are a valuable commodity. How many would have been voted anyway by fraudsters or vote harvesters collecting absentee ballots in neighborhoods throughout Los Angeles?

    Just look at what happened in North Carolina in 2018 in the 9th Congressional District race, in which the result was overturned by the state election board because of illegal vote harvesting that included altering and forging absentee ballots.

    All-mail jurisdictions such as Oregon like to brag about the supposed “security” of their systems, which consists of almost nothing other than a rapid, superficial signature comparison.

    As Melody Rose, an assistant professor of political science at Portland State University, told the Los Angeles Times: “I don’t have much faith in that process. I can forge my husband’s signature perfectly.”

    Rose conducted a survey of one county, Washington County, outside Portland. Five percent of registered voters admitted that other people marked their ballots, and 2.4% said someone else signed their ballots.

    Rose suspected the actual number was higher, given that most people would not want to admit to being “party to a crime.” That would mean that tens of thousands of mail-in ballots are being cast in Oregon by individuals other than the registered voter.

    Voter ID as Security

    Trump was also right when he said we need voter ID laws as a basic security measure in voting. As for those who say there is no election fraud in the U.S. that we need be concerned about, they are wrong and the president is right.

    As the U.S. Supreme Court said in 2008 when it upheld Indiana’s voter ID law:

    flagrant examples of such fraud … have been documented throughout this Nation’s history by respected historians and journalists [including] Indiana’s own experience with fraudulent voting in the 2003 Democratic primary for East Chicago Mayor … demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real, but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.

    The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database documents almost 1,300 proven instances of fraud, including numerous cases of absentee ballot fraud. That fraud often targets the most vulnerable voters, including the elderly and the poor.

    The most recent batch of cases added to the database emphasize that the president’s concern over election integrity is not misplaced.

    For example, Richard Davis was convicted of a felony in California after registering his four dogs to vote as Democrats over a four-year period. Davis said his goal was to draw attention to the flawed voter registration system in his state, and he did notify the local district attorney’s office of what he was doing.

    Disregarding several warnings to stop those false registrations, and after registering his deceased father, too, Davis was charged and pleaded guilty to voter registration fraud.

    He never submitted a fraudulent vote, but he could have done so easily using absentee ballots if he hadn’t told officials what he was doing, since his “signature” for his dogs would have been a match on all of the forms.

    Or take Gustavo Araujo Lerma, an illegal alien from Mexico. He voted multiple times in elections in Sacramento, California, under a false identity.

    Protecting the Marginalized

    Another case out of California demonstrates how voter fraud often hurts the most marginalized individuals in communities.

    Norman Hall was involved in a scheme with eight other individuals involving the homeless on Skid Row. According to the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office, they “solicited hundreds of false and/or forged signatures on state ballot petitions and voter registration forms by offering homeless people $1 and/or cigarettes for their participation.”

    The ballot petitions for which Hall and others gathered fraudulent signatures included calling for reducing jail time, changing the authority of the sheriff’s office, and increasing taxes on millionaires and other business owners.

    Two other cases out of California include two individuals, Jentry and Bradley Jasperson, who forged the signatures of voters for a referendum initiative. They were each paid $5 per signature.

    Another case from our newest batch features Frank Rabia, a City Council candidate in Hoboken, New Jersey, who bribed voters with $50 payments for mail-in ballots to support his candidacy.

    Heritage’s Election Fraud Database has more than 60 instances of vote buying. Attempting to buy votes or signatures is entirely repugnant to the republic that America is so lucky to maintain. But purchasing votes is much easier with absentee or mail-in ballots.

    The purchaser—such as Rabia—can see the voter’s absentee ballot in the voter’s home and ensure he is getting what he paid for. A purchaser can’t do that when a voter goes into the privacy of a voting booth.

    Another new case we added to our database arises out of Espanola, New Mexico, where Laura Seeds and Dyon Herrera falsified absentee ballots in favor of Seeds’ husband, a Democratic candidate for City Council.

    This is the same state where a lawsuit has been filed to require election officials to automatically mail absentee ballots to all registered voters in the upcoming election.

    The Public Interest Legal Foundation pointed out in an amicus brief that it found more than 3,000 individuals registered multiple times in New Mexico; almost 1,700 registrants who are dead; 1,500 voters aged 100 or above (64 of whom are over 120 years old); and almost 200 individuals registered at commercial rather than residential addresses. All of these supposed voters would receive ballots automatically if the lawsuit were successful.

    These cases demonstrate that election fraud does occur and can compromise the integrity of the election process.

    Not even the coronavirus can stop the upcoming presidential election, with the 2020 primaries already well underway. Soon enough, the general election will be upon us.

    States should be doing everything they can to help everyone who is eligible to vote. But that doesn’t mean casting aside the safeguards in place to prevent elections from being stolen or compromised by administrative errors and fraud.
    https://www.heritage.org/election-in...be-dead-letter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charoite View Post
    You keep conflating things. We think the electoral system is a bogus vote and it should be one person one vote. Both these times a decided winner had less votes and lost in all normal realities. It really fucks over people in swing states when it's so close it can be contested and still only one gets all the spoils. Trump lost both by a long shot and is just making shit up. He was the equivalent to the boy crying wolf before there were any sheep. He even said the one he won wasn't good enough for him and called it fraudulent.
    I'm not conflating anything. Liberals thought the Supreme Court stole the '00 election. Liberals thought cheating in Ohio stole the '04 election and liberals thought Russia stole the '16 election.

    The OP asks a legitimate question to people on the right. I'm saying we have a case study with folks on the left and recent elections. They may not be the exact same thing but they're in the ballpark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    And the coach, is the guy from Penn State on this way? Two more wins over apparently weaker rivals and they are in the championship game, tough to toss a winning coach who gives them a shot at the Rose Bowl, even though no one can go to the game
    If we don't hire Urban Meyer because of character concerns I don't know how in the hell we hire James Franklin with what went down on his watch at Vanderbilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    There has been plenty of voter fraud shown. And arrests already. So, ah ' "Archives" get your NYC head out of your ass. Do not think for a moment that voter fraud will not affect Democrats at some point. Of course you are to fucking stupid to realize this entire thing is way above partisan politics.
    "popeye," there are examples of voter fraud in every election, keep in mind there are hundreds of elections every year in America, but none of them, even collectively, have any impact on the results of the election, and there hasn't been any arrests in this election, the whole Trump was robbed charade is bogus, you are being played, largely for Trump to raise money

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    "popeye," there are examples of voter fraud in every election, keep in mind there are hundreds of elections every year in America, but none of them, even collectively, have any impact on the results of the election, and there hasn't been any arrests in this election, the whole Trump was robbed charade is bogus, you are being played, largely for Trump to raise money
    You truly are an idiot. A partisan scumbag. No respect at all for this country. Just free shit. Here is a list just from Texas alone in 2019 before the elections. Feel free to look up the thousands upon thousands of other cases of it nationwide. You stupid fuck.
    https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...es/voter-fraud

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    If we don't hire Urban Meyer because of character concerns I don't know how in the hell we hire James Franklin with what went down on his watch at Vanderbilt.
    Well I guess then neither, although I might add a personal note as an outsider, Meyer ain't your man, he has to have the unlimited budget and blind oversight that an independent as USC ain't going to give him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    This is a first for the right, I hadn’t thought about that.

    So basically, any national election democrats lost since last century has been because Republicans cheated lol. Correct that: since last millennia.

    Given their track record it’s a safe bet democrats would have claimed Trump cheated had he been allowed to win by democrats.
    This flaccid attempt at drawing an analogy does not come close to passing the laugh test.

    John Kerry never whined that he was cheated.

    Al Gore never whined he was cheated. Gore won the popular vote and was within 500 votes in one state of winning the EC. He asked for lawful recount to ensure the final result in Florida was accurate. Perfectly reasonable.

    None of that even remotely compares to Donald Trump who has spent 30 days crying and lying his fat ass off about a vast international vote fraud conspiracy bent on cheating him out of a second term.

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