Matthew 6:5

[ThatOwlWoman]

I characterize "God's light" as truth, a fundamental morality of the Universe. The understanding that killing a dog for no reason is wrong, but killing a rabid dog is merely putting a dog who is in pain and cannot be cured of its misery. Murdering your neighbors is wrong if it's over your rose bushes, but right if they are child murderers and, despite reports to local authorities, you know they will do it again even if you have to spend the rest of your life in jail.

No doubt I, like most of us, learned ethics and morality from whoever raised us. Even toddlers quickly learn that if they hit another child, they're going to get whacked back. Later you learn that society imposes penalties on you for poor behavior. Mostly though I think that we live with a sort of "inner hell," that thing that makes you feel terrible if you transgress your own code of ethics. Like shooting the neighbor's dog for peeing on your garden. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion or a belief in a deity, or even secular law. Secular law won't jail you for going up to an old lady and telling her how ugly you think her dress is. It's your inner hell that keeps you from being an asshole.

You studied psychology. Is a sociopath someone who lacks that "inner hell" and thus never feels guilt or shame?

[ThatOwlWoman]

What about euthanasia? Helping a person find release from their pain? Right or wrong? Why?

I believe it's right. If my wife was in constant pain and, due to technology, would live in constant pain for another 6-12 months, I'd find a way to help her. Preferably something like morphine, but a 9mm bullet to the brain would work too. Would that be right or wrong?

I replied before you had a chance to edit your post.

If my husband developed cancer or some other terminal condition that would cause the rest of his days to be unending torment, with his permission I would help him journey on to the next realm. Secular law would most likely charge me with murder. I would be okay with that, as I did what was right in MY soul. If someone's deity wants to condemn me to their Hell then for that, go for it. As a nurse I am charged with preserving life, but also with preserving health and well-being. Sometimes those two can clash, like in your example. Euthanasia is one of those areas. If the person who is suffering is of sound enough mind to make the choice to end their life, IMO there is no crime nor sin there either against that individual or against whoever grants them surcease. If I were called to be a juror in such a case, I most likely would not vote to convict.

[evince]

All religions are "organized".

Of the following religions please tell me which are okay with you and which are not:
Buddhism

Catholicism

Muslimism

Protestantism

Shintoism

Zoroastrianism

If you actually read my post you would already know the answer


Why are you trying So Hard to pretend I said something I didn’t


Because you Can’t accept what I believe


Why can’t you understand what I clearly said


Because it rings so true to you

[Doc Dutch]

Why would I say that?

Because you've been dancing around it for several posts just like Trump dances around his true beliefs.

[evince]

Because you've been dancing around it for several posts just like Trump dances around his true beliefs.

You don’t get to say what I believe

I just told you what I believe

Quit lying

[evince]

Go get the post of mine where I say religion is evil?

ORGANIZED religion creates the perfect scaffolding for evil people to climb to power over people


Religion that preach love for all mankind are fine with me


Religion soothes the desire for mans brains desire to seek answers


Most of the time that man has been alive was spent in a lack of known facts


Science has now reached a level that it can explain enough to quell that need for understanding the world


I go by facts


Guess what we now know because of science


That human brains include a group that have a need for a higher being

They call it the god gene


Why would I begrudge those people what their brain needs

All the invented gods man has created serve a purpose

None are reality but they do serve a purpose


If your imagined god makes you love mankind I’m fine with it


Most major religions were started by great philosophers


I don’t need to share their myths to love their aims


Love mankind and you are my sibling

Read it

[Doc Dutch]

If you actually read my post you would already know the answer

Why are you trying So Hard to pretend I said something I didn’t
Because you Can’t accept what I believe
Why can’t you understand what I clearly said
Because it rings so true to you

No worries. You're not required to answer any questions. Since you haven't been pardoned by Trump you are free to plead the Fifth.

[evince]

Now say Jesus deserved to be crucified and the same should be done to all Christians. Do it upside down like Nero did just for fun.

In fact Jesus was one of the world great philosophers


I have said that repeatedly in the lifetime of this site

I said it on this thread


Yet you lie about what I said



Why are you doing that?

[Doc Dutch]

I replied before you had a chance to edit your post.

If my husband developed cancer or some other terminal condition that would cause the rest of his days to be unending torment, with his permission I would help him journey on to the next realm. Secular law would most likely charge me with murder. I would be okay with that, as I did what was right in MY soul. If someone's deity wants to condemn me to their Hell then for that, go for it. As a nurse I am charged with preserving life, but also with preserving health and well-being. Sometimes those two can clash, like in your example. Euthanasia is one of those areas. If the person who is suffering is of sound enough mind to make the choice to end their life, IMO there is no crime nor sin there either against that individual or against whoever grants them surcease. If I were called to be a juror in such a case, I most likely would not vote to convict.

Yeah, I do that. It's my fault. Call it premature ejacu-posting.

Agreed. I go by what I determine to be just and true, not what some lying asshole at Westboro Baptist or anyone else thinks. Sure, I understand there are consequences for actions in the secular world. Which is why I'd have a second bullet with me if it came to that point.

As far as deities go, I fail to see how a truly all merciful deity would condemn me for helping the person I love most in all the world be relieved from pain and suffering.

[evince]

No worries. You're not required to answer any questions. Since you haven't been pardoned by Trump you are free to plead the Fifth.

Why are you lying about what I clearly told you I believe

[Doc Dutch]

A pretty good one....are you? (if you know otherwise, please explain...was there some bad Christian info in the PM?)

Are you and evince sisters? You both dodge questions equally well.

[TOP]

Are you and evince sisters? You both dodge questions equally well.

No....

[evince]

Are you and evince sisters? You both dodge questions equally well.

What question fool


I have always been a liberal Democratic Party member


You are being evil here fool

[evince]

Dutch uncle


I get to say what I believe


You are desperate to hate on me because I believe in science and not Your religion

[evince]

Not all Christians violate these ideas



It’s organized religion who causes these things

Same ole crap of creating a scaffolding for evil to climb to the top of its power struture


Believe what is in your heart


Be such a good example that other humans ASK you what you believe


Stop all the bullshit advertising coming from the organized power structure funding designed to create a power structure for the few at the top to USE

My beliefs