Can the country be unified?

[evince]

Get one case of Democratic gerrymandering Diesel


I can’t figure out why you refuse to back your claims with facts

[Doc Dutch]

Get one case of Democratic gerrymandering Diesel


I can’t figure out why you refuse to back your claims with facts

For your edification, evince:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/democr...y-get-to-do-it
Democrats Hate Gerrymandering—Except When They Get to Do It
In Maryland, New Mexico, and elsewhere, Democrats are just as guilty as the Republicans are in other states—which tells us that the real problem is deeper.

[Diesel]

How can I do that?


By asking you to provide cases that prove they have



How do I prove the cracken doesn’t exist


By asking those who say it does exist to prove it exists


You trying to use that asshole argument further proves who you really are



Get proof of your claim or admit you will believe anything without proof and are a fool or a liar

Would you like for me to also prove to you that the sun is hot? What is your angle here? The Democrats have not been anointed by the holy spirit; and you're a crackhead for thinking that they have no faults.

"'This is emphatically not a specifically Republican problem,' Levitt said. 'History has shown that both major parties are perfectly willing to rig the electoral rules to benefit their own.'

"In fact, one of the cases that was before the Supreme Court this year was about a Democratic gerrymander in Maryland. The Legislature and former Gov. Martin O'Malley were open about their project to draw a congressional map that eliminated a longtime Republican House seat."

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/03/73775...-for-democrats

[Diesel]

Never heard of it


Blessings

Never heard of Pizzagate, huh? How about QAnon?

[Diesel]

The motion filed is asking to be heard in court based on reasonable doubt. It’s going to the scotie


Blessings

What motion are you talking about? In what court? Motions are not filed based on reasonable doubt; and reasonable doubt has nothing to do with civil cases.

[cawacko]

"Safe space" was not a negative term before conservative media ridiculed it to death. I used to be a teacher. We were taught to assure students that they were in a "safe space" if they wanted to discuss something that was difficult or uncomfortable to discuss: Knowing that someone had cheated on a test or assignment; knowing that someone had illicit paraphernalia on school property; being abused, neglected, or bullied; having thoughts related to self harm or being LGBTQ; etc. In fact, my nephew has been caught engaging in some unacceptable behaviors recently. When I talked to him about it, I started with, "You know you can trust me, right? I'm not going to be angry with you about anything you say to me. You're in a safe place." The only difference now is that a lot of these "safe spaces" have been formalized. They're regularly scheduled meetings of a support group or in the most extreme cases, a room or a place where a person can seclude himself to cope with a traumatic experience. The concept is probably overextended, but it should not be controversial that victims of trauma have "safe spaces" to process their feelings. What constitutes a traumatic experience seems to have been widened significantly in recent decades, but I'm not in a position to tell someone else when they have been harmed. That's between them, the person that did it to them, authorities, and medical professionals. I have been told more times than I could ever count that racism doesn't exist and that my perception of racism is invalid. It's a hurtful and frustrating experience. I haven't felt the need to seek out a support group, but I do have my own self-constructed "safe spaces", which are nothing more than close friends and family with whom I feel comfortable discussing those things.

I go back and forth about canceling or preventing certain speakers. I'm also dating myself, but I was a student at CU-Boulder when Ward Churchill's essay about 9/11 gained international attention. It was three and a half years after the attacks, but he published it on September 12, 2001, before the bodies were even cold. In it, Churchill claimed that the attacks were the consequence of illegal American international intervention. He also criticized the people who worked in the World Trade Center and the systems that they represented. The outrage was deafening. On campus, I am happy to admit that feelings were conflicted. The administration, faculty, students, alumni, and community were all torn. A person should be allowed to express views as long as they do not incite violence or put life or safety in jeopardy. It took two years for the university to fire Churchill. Then his appeals process took another six years until ultimately the SCOTUS refused to hear his case. He was censored, but at the time, when so many people were still hurting so badly about 9/11, I can't say that I felt too badly for him. So, although people like Ann Coulter and Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon are relatively evil in my estimation, I don't begrudge them their platforms. Universities should allow different viewpoints to be presented. The consumers' (students') option is to vote with their feet and let the Ann Coulters of the world talk to an empty auditorium.

I'm coming at 'safe spaces' more from the perspective that they exist to 'protect' students from ideas and viewpoints they don't want to hear. It's an ideological safe space on several different levels. And to me at least that defeats the purpose of what college is all about, which is hearing diverse viewpoints and having your positions challenged. It makes for a more intolerant, extreme and segregated society when this is already occurring in Universities.

And you hear from more conservative leaning facility members of top Universities discuss the response from students who don't handle well hearing ideas in the classroom that challenge their beliefs and how their administrations aren't always supportive of them. I'm not saying this from a 'woah is them' perspective but rather why people hold a certain disdain for what's happening on campuses.

[BidenPresident]

They must first admit fault, beg for forgiveness, kneel and kiss the ring and abandon the gameshow clown and all his plans. Until then
fuck you your mother and the horse she rode in on. It's time to take a pound of flesh, play hardball and exploit every advantage to purge the ignorant
racist deplorable stench from sea to shining sea.

Agree.

[Bigdog]

Get one case of Democratic gerrymandering Diesel


I can’t figure out why you refuse to back your claims with facts

Maryland's 3rd ... hard to believe this is one district ...

[Bulletbob]

It can.

But the problem is that too many Americans do not believe in democracy.

That is the problem. You cannot unify a nation if a large minority does not even want a democracy.

To many radical groups in America to come together and truly unite, in my opinion . Biden claims he will unite America but well all know he wont if anything he will widen the gaps by trying to appease various factions or force things on others.
The times for a unification are not right at the moment .

[BidenPresident]

To many radical groups in America to come together and truly unite, in my opinion . Biden claims he will unite America but well all know he wont if anything he will widen the gaps by trying to appease various factions or force things on others.
The times for a unification are not right at the moment .

One thing for sure. Democrats will never back off fighting Trump fascism.

[Diesel]

I'm coming at 'safe spaces' more from the perspective that they exist to 'protect' students from ideas and viewpoints they don't want to hear. It's an ideological safe space on several different levels. And to me at least that defeats the purpose of what college is all about, which is hearing diverse viewpoints and having your positions challenged. It makes for a more intolerant, extreme and segregated society when this is already occurring in Universities.

And you hear from more conservative leaning facility members of top Universities discuss the response from students who don't handle well hearing ideas in the classroom that challenge their beliefs and how their administrations aren't always supportive of them. I'm not saying this from a 'woah is them' perspective but rather why people hold a certain disdain for what's happening on campuses.

That's why I said "safe space" was not a negative term before conservative media ridiculed it to death. What you described is not definitionally a safe space. It's a misappropriated term to criticize perceived group think on college campuses, but that's not what it means.

"Some critics suggest that safe spaces are a direct threat to free speech, foster groupthink, and limit the flow of ideas. Others accuse college students of being coddled 'snowflakes' who seek protection from ideas that make them uncomfortable.

"What unites most anti-safe space stances is that they focus almost exclusively on safe spaces in the context of college campuses and free speech. Because of this, it’s easy to forget that the term 'safe space' is actually quite broad and encompasses a variety of different meanings.

"On college campuses, a 'safe space' is usually one of two things. Classrooms can be designated as academic safe spaces, meaning that students are encouraged to take risks and engage in intellectual discussions about topics that may feel uncomfortable. In this type of safe space, free speech is the goal. The term 'safe space' is also used to describe groups on college campuses that seek to provide respect and emotional security, often for individuals from historically marginalized groups."

https://www.healthline.com/health/me...aces-college#1

It's not just liberal students who object to conservative messages. It works the other way around too. CU-Boulder is a notoriously liberal and very large institution. One of my undergraduate degrees is in political science, so we had a lot of heated discussions in rooms filled with hundreds of people. A lot of those discussions were led by left-leaning professors and instructors. The conservative students, although almost always outnumbered, often had no problem throwing a fit about dissenting views.

[Peace n Safety]

What motion are you talking about? In what court? Motions are not filed based on reasonable doubt; and reasonable doubt has nothing to do with civil cases.

Michigan


Blessings

[Peace n Safety]

Never heard of Pizzagate, huh? How about QAnon?

Nope. And I have a master in theology, I also do not assume Trump is a Christian. Certainly the nut choir of spiritual advisors are not genuine students of scripture.

My only hope is for prosperity to continue via capitalism in America. I do not believe Biden got 70 million votes. That’s a good one tho, amusing.

Why fear an inspection of the 2020 voting process? It will only favor future confidences. Relax, there’s still plenty of time.


Blessings

[BidenPresident]

I do not believe Biden got 70 million votes.

Good. Because he got 80,000,000.

[ThatOwlWoman]

Get one case of Democratic gerrymandering Diesel


I can’t figure out why you refuse to back your claims with facts

May I? I like you both, and I'm really glad you're back, but you are wrong on this one. Both (D)s and (R)s have gerrymandered. That being said, it is far worse now due to the influence of ALEC. Their stated goal was to gain (R) majorities at the state and local level expressly to enable them to gerrymander and put more (R)s in Congress. So in the last 20 years, they've done a bang-up job of it. And *that* being said, here is one district in Maryland that the (D)s gerrymandered. It was the subject of a recent SCOTUS decision.

"The 6th District shared center stage in the Supreme Court decision that federal courts have no role in settling claims of partisan gerrymandering. Democrats conceded their explicit goal was to move enough voters around to dilute GOP voting power and defeat the incumbent Republican congressman. As the definition of gerrymandering is to draw lines to give the people in power strategic advantage, and the Democrats admitted doing so, this is clearly one of the country's most gerrymandered districts."

Source, which contains other examples: https://thefulcrum.us/worst-gerryman...burban-houston