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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    How can anyone pardon himself for something he hasn’t been found guilty of yet? President or not, that one is a stretch
    I agree with you. My guess is that he'll issue a letter that says that he can't be held accountable or charged with any crime whether committed in the past or in the future. SDNY will charge him anyway. A judge will review and dismiss Trump's self-pardon. Then, if their is a god in heaven, he will die in prison where he belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Anyone who pleads guilty is not convicted. There is no need to waste the time with a trial if there is no dispute about guilt. Flynn has legally accepted his guilt, so no trial is needed.
    what?? ROFL.. what kind of goggledegook is this?. If you plea guilty and the trial judge issues a ruling of guilt your are then "found gullity" - but ONLY if a trial judge issues that ruling of guilt -not before

    I have no idea what kind of Byzantine BS you are trying to sell here otherwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The important thing is he is known to be guilty.
    Flynn is guilty and Trump was impeached. All the rest of the noise is the same, pointless, typical shit Trumpists do. It will never matter and neither will they.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    How can anyone pardon himself for something he hasn’t been found guilty of yet? President or not, that one is a stretch
    a pardon doesn't have to wait for a finding of guilt - POTUS has plenary power to pardon at will

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    Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution authorizes the President “to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”
    this might be a reprieve? - but POTUS is recognized with full plenary powers here

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    lies.
    Sullivan never declared him guilty.
    you want to besmirch a man who was prosecuted under false pretenses and denied due process
    ( FBI lied about the reason for the interview, and said he wasn't a target -didn't need a lawyer)
    Flynn pleaded guilty. Sullivan accepted his plea. Flynn was pardoned by Trump, but he's still guilty. Stop crying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    Flynn pleaded guilty. Sullivan accepted his plea. Flynn was pardoned by Trump, but he's still guilty. Stop crying.
    dolt.
    There was no finding of guilt by Sullivan.
    Flynn was never convicted of anything..he is not guilty until a trial judges says he is

    This looks looks like a reprieve -still a POTUS plenary power

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Yes, I’m glad Flynn got away with talking to a Russian lol.

    And you goof balls are glad Flynn was interviewed under false pretenses and the interviewers got away with it.

    This isn’t Russia. The way it’s supposed to work, in this country, is cases are thrown out when there is prosecutorial misconduct. It doesn’t matter that Flynn lied—that was made immaterial by the fact *the investigators lied* when they approached Flynn for an interview. They even went as far as to alter his 302.

    It doesn’t matter that Flynn lied because the case never should have seen the inside of a courtroom.
    I hope to gawd you don't have children. Bad behavior deserves consequences. Is it any more acceptable that one person eggs a house because a different person toilet papered it? Accountability is a word that Trump and his brain dead supporters can't even spell. Your acceptance and justification of Flynn's bad behavior demonstrates that you are a shitty person. Just like Flynn. Just like Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Love America View Post
    BOOM BITCHES

    DONE DEAL

    SUCK COCK MUELLER AND YOUR CORRUPT CRONIES

    no thread bans because I want JPP Marxist tears to flow
    I guess they were not so sure he was innocent.

    Insures there will be no investigation, guess they feared that!
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    LOCK HIM UP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    a guilty plea during a trail does not make one guilty -only a trial judge can issue a guilty ruling for a defendant
    Once you plead guilty, there is no trial. There is no need for a trial. It is considered the same as a guilty verdict. The only ruling a judge makes is accepting the guilty plea, but they make absolutely no ruling on whether you are guilty.

    Very few people are in prison for a guilty verdict. Almost everyone plea bargains before the verdict. In effect, Flynn has gotten the ultimate plea bargain, all he has to do is accept his own guilt, and he gets away without any punishment.

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    there was no finding of guilt/no sentence imposed to be pardoned from
    There is clearly both. The pardon is part of a admission of guilt, and the sentence is mercy... no punishment.

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    You write like a fascist claiming Flynn was found guilty
    Fascists did the exact opposite, and required people to admit to guilt in court against their will. Flynn has every right to turn down the pardon, and go to trial. This is not a fascist system... yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    look up Miranda - you are flailing. Miranda applies nonetheless
    No, Miranda does not apply. Flynn was not under arrest, so he had no Miranda Warning. Even if he was under arrest, Miranda Warning is only warning of your rights. The police have the right to advice you to not get a lawyer, even when arrested.

    Flynn was free to walk away, so he got no Miranda Warning. The FBI agents advised him he did not need a lawyer, which was their job. He should have had the common sense to realize he was not going to lie his way out of his crimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    he brought up the fact if he needs a lawyer, and the FBI lied to deflect from his request
    So the FBI was doing their job. Their job is to catch criminals, not to help the criminals get defense advice. They do not have to tell the criminals what they are investigating, or how they are investigating. It was Flynn's job to try to get out of being punished for his crimes, not the FBI's.

    Miranda Warnings include nothing about telling Flynn what he is being investigated for. More importantly, Flynn was not under arrest, so he had no Miranda rights whatsoever. His one right was to walk away.

    Flynn thought he could lie his way out of the crimes, and the FBI allowed him to think that. They did not tell him they knew he was lying. They are not supposed to help him with his crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    dolt.
    There was no finding of guilt by Sullivan.
    Flynn was never convicted of anything..he is not guilty until a trial judges says he is

    This looks looks like a reprieve -still a POTUS plenary power
    Flynn pleaded guilty, you fucking idiot. He is guilty. Flynn did or will accept a presidential pardon. He is guilty. Read a book, dumbass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    I expected it, too. He'll pardon everyone and then run to Florida.
    Where he'll be extradited to New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    If you plea guilty and the trial judge issues a ruling of guilt your are then "found gullity" - but ONLY if a trial judge issues that ruling of guilt -not before
    One more time, it is a little complex, but not that much. If you plead guilty, then the judge does not rule that you are guilty. The judge accepts your guilty plea. That is considered the equivalent of being found guilty, but there are a few technical differences.

    For instance, there is no trial with a guilty plea. There is no need for a trial. The facts of the case are not in contention.

    Not to mention that in a jury trial, a judge does not find you guilty. Only in bench trials does a judge find you guilty. A guilty plea, or a pardon removes the need for any type of trial, so no need for anyone to find Flynn guilty. He has legally admitted to being guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    Isn't this the guy that Sydney Powell told the judge that they didn't ask for or want a pardon?
    This!

    They wanted to prove his “innocence”!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    He can't be convicted, because he has effectively plead guilty. There would be no point in having a trial to decide something already decided. He is guilty. He does not legally deny that. There is no reason for a trial.

    Now we have moved on to the punishment phase. Flynn has been pardoned for the crimes he has effectively plead guilty of, so there is no punishment. Our country has shown guilty Flynn mercy. If he were not guilty, he would have no need of mercy.



    Completely wrong. As long as the suspect is not under arrest, questioning can go on for as long as the police want it to. They do not have to quit if the suspect asks for a lawyer. Flynn had the right to stop answer questions, and to walk away, but he would have lost his job then.

    Flynn did not ask for a lawyer. He thought he could lie his way out of the crime. He failed. Now he needs a pardon for the crimes he has legally admitted to.



    Once again, the police are not required to give Flynn good advice about covering up his crimes. Flynn thought he could lie his way out of the crimes. The FBI knew he was failing, and that he should get a lawyer to help him avoid punishment. The FBI was under no obligation to give him that advice. In fact, they were under an obligation to not help Flynn commit crimes.



    The FBI does not take orders from a then retired VP. Biden is not involved.
    That was a very effective Schoolhouse Rock version of the facts, but anatta appears to be an abject imbecile. I fear your efforts were wasted.

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