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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Don’t get it twisted, I’ve never counted you in. Quite obviously your approval, nor the approval of people who think like you
    Is not required. This issue is now further advanced then it has ever been in the long centuries old sordid history of police murders of nonwhite citizens and your input is not required
    again reform -not defund.

    all races have an interest in a police dept that functions to combat crime
    Blacks are focused on BLM - understandable. I'm not -they are political.. But everyone should support true reform

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    Chris Christie:Camden Policing Works — governing.com

    Could this city hold the key to future policing in America — nytimes.com

    Camden is becoming a model for other cities to embrace, then Gov. Chris Christie after citing a 30%drop in overall crime AFTER disbanding its police force. It shows that we can do things differently. Earjier in the day, Christie praised the caliber of the new county force saying that 50%of the new county force had 4year college degrees, and praised The departments use of technology, including eye in the sky cameras, license plate scanners, and increased outreach to the community.

    In short, Camden, NJ disbanded its city police department in April 2013 to make way for the newly created county police force.At the time, Camden was one of the worst cities for crime in the country. But, by going to a regional model for policing which put more emphasis on the character and education of its recruits, instead of just military experience, and greater emphasis on community outreach and interactions better officers and better results were achieved.

    What disbanding the police really meant in Camden, New Jersey — wired.com

    Since the city overhaiuled its force in 2012, reported crimes fell, but increased surveillance increased.

    Yes it can be done when you focus on the quality of the officers, Stop hiring racist rednecks with an ax to grind, and if they are discove, get rid of them.
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    again reform -not defund.

    all races have an interest in a police dept that functions to combat crime
    Blacks are focused on BLM - understandable. I'm not -they are political.. But everyone should support true reform

    We’ve asked, pleaded, and suggested real reform for hundreds of years, to no avail, now its time for something completely different and we now have the power to demand it
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    The city that really did abolish the police

    ... and rebuilt the department from the ground up.

    It was the moment that America needed.

    Days after George Floyd died at the habs of police, a different scene was playing out in what once was the most dangerous city in the United States.

    Joesph Wysoki was marching on the streets of Camden, NJ along with residents in Black Lives Matter Tee shirts. He found the organizer of the protest and asked if he could march along with her. Absolutely she sain, and the two started marching together holding up a sign that read, Standing in Solidarity. And then they posed for a now vital photo. Shown at link.

    Wysoki wasn’t just any 50 year old white man. He was the Chief of Camden police. And as protests erupted across the country, this moment — Wysoki and the protester, with their banner, peace signs and clenched fists held high, gave Americans reasons to believe that widening social fractures could be healed.

    Behind that image is a years long story of how Camden’s officials transformed policing in a city where the murder rate was once on par with Honduras. The police were despised by residents for being ineffective at best, and corrupt at worse.. Today, violent crime has decreased and police officers are a regular presence at community block parties.

    As a movement grows in American cities and suburbs, to overhaul their police departments and confront their long records of racially unjust, violent enforcement, Camden is one rare and complicated success story, a city that really did manage to overhaul its police force and change how it operated. And it took a move as controversial as what many activists as calling for today. Camden really did abolish its police department.

    And then Camden set about rebuilding the police force with an entirely new one under county control., using the opportunity to increase the numbers of cops on the streets, and push through a number of now heralded progressive police reforms that over time, the changes started to stick in a department that just years earlier seemed unfixable.

    Camden has become an example of reforms that works, cited in articles and tweets, and on network shows as an example of what can go right. And it’s true that the reforms produced real change in the statistics. The excessive use of force rates plummeted. The homicide rates decreased. And new incentives laid the groundwork for what it means to be a good cop.

    You had to change the underlying principles of how cops were being trained and taught, and the culture within the department, and the most effective way to do that was to start all over, said REPUBLICAN ex-governor Chris Christie.

    Politico.com

    To be clear, republicans have not been the only impediment to real police reform. Centrist democrats are as guilty of it if not even more so,

    History demonstrates that African Americans were once majority republicans, and unless democrats wake up to this issue, that evolution could reverse itself. If republicans truly want to cut into democrats black political advantage, this would be the issue that could make that happen.

    wake Up Democrats wake the fuck up
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    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    As chaos engulfed Philadelphia, peace reigned across the river in Camden, NJ — courier post online.com

    WAKE THE FUCK UP DEMOCRATS
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    money will be moved to policing alternatives, like mental health squads that will answer situations with mentally ill people and situations that police are ill equipped to handle also demilitarize the police
    THIS! THIS IS WHAT BIDEN SAID HE WANTED TO SEE. Biden said he is not for de-funding the police, but making sure certain funding went to educating and hiring officers that are specially trained to deal with the mentally ill.

    He also said that people need to stop saying, "De-funding Police Departments" as that is getting misunderstood by the public and used as ammunition by the Republicans to further stir up anger towards BLM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Los Angeles, San Francisco, Baltimore, Washington, DC, Hartford, Connecticut, Portland, Oregon, Seattle, Salt Lake City, and Philadelphia are among cities reducing police budgets

    At least 13 cities are defunding their police departments— FORBES

    At least 13 US cities have cut funding from their police department budgets or decreased officer numbers with several more in the process amid a national reckoning over systematic racism and police brutality according to a Forbes tally.

    Austin, Texas is the latest to announce a police defunding effort, with the City Council on Thursday voting unanimously to cut 150 million, roughly a third from the police budget , reinvesting much of that money into food access, violence prevention, and abortion access.

    The countries two largest cities New York and Los Angeles, approved budget cuts weeks after protests began. New York slashed 1 billion from its 2021budget, totalling 88.9 billion, while Los Angeles approved a 150 million dollar cut from its
    1.86 billion proposed budget.

    San Francisco a 120 million dollar cut to i.6 million dollar reduction
    ts police and Sheriff departments.
    Oakland, California passed a 14.6 million dollar reduction
    Washington,DC a 15 million dollar cut
    Baltimore a 22 million dollar cut
    Portland cut 16 million
    Philadelphia cut 33 million
    Hartford, Connecticut cut 1 million from its 40 million dollar budget
    Norman, Oklahoma cut 865,000 from its police budget
    Salt Lake City slashed 5.3 million from its police budget

    Several other cities are mulling the reallication of funds from their own departments

    Forbes
    To social workers that should work wonders!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    THIS! THIS IS WHAT BIDEN SAID HE WANTED TO SEE. Biden said he is not for de-funding the police, but making sure certain funding went to educating and hiring officers that are specially trained to deal with the mentally ill.

    He also said that people need to stop saying, "De-funding Police Departments" as that is getting misunderstood by the public and used as ammunition by the Republicans to further stir up anger towards BLM.
    Yet a growing number of municipalities understand exactly what it means. If centrists keep playing these stupid word games they will find themselves on the outside of black votes
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Yet

    Yet a growing number of municipalities understand exactly what it means. If centrists keep playing these stupid word games they will find themselves on the outside of black votes
    No, because the Blacks I know are pretty conservative law-abiding career driven Christian folk who chose Biden because he is a Centrist.

    They are just like you and me! We don't judge anyone by color! We judge people by their merits and heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeko Sportivo View Post
    No, because the Blacks I know are pretty conservative law-abiding career driven Christian folk who chose Biden because he is a Centrist.

    They are just like you and me! We don't judge anyone by color! We judge people by their merits and heart.
    If your friends aren’t discussing the murders of black people with you around, it’s because you’re around. No doubt that their talking about it. Perhaps they don’t think you’re up for such conversation and may not want to offend you. This is not about judging people by color, but rather judging them by their character.

    I do appreciate your thoughts my friend, even when we don’t agree.
    AMERICAN HISTORY ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO THE STRENGTH AND RESILIENCE OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE, ALONG WITH THE COURGE AND SACRIFICES OF CONSCIOUS WHITE AMERICANS, LIKE VIOLA LIUZZO, EVERETT DIRKSEN, AND MANY OTHERS, HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED TOGETHER FOR OUR FREEDOM, AND FOR OUR SURVIVAL.

    In America, rights are are not determined by what is just, fair, equitable, honest, nor by what Jesus would do. Rights are determined ONLY by what you can DEMAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    To social workers that should work wonders!
    go sit in the trees liken your cracka daddy taught you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Seattle City Council votes to cut funding by 18%

    Mayor Jenny Durbin says that these thoughtful reductions will help scale up alternatives to policing.

    NBCNews.com
    yes democras are idiots like this will help, lol it will increase crime

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackascoal View Post
    Much of the reallocated money will go into better, more modern police training.

    The status quo is not working, time to try something else.
    How about blacks get their act together and stop drug gangs, pimps and low lifes operating? Instead you just turn a blind eye and say it's all whitey's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletbob View Post
    yes democras are idiots like this will help, lol it will increase crime
    How? Will you commit crimes if there are fewer cops? You might. No, it will not increase crime and crime has been dropping slowly and steadily for decades.
    The idea is to take some funding from the police and provide experts in other fields, like psychiatry and social services. They are better equipped to handle some incidents that cops often make worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    How about blacks get their act together and stop drug gangs, pimps and low lifes operating? Instead you just turn a blind eye and say it's all whitey's fault.
    They lie their asses off....the BLM thing is a massive con job, but America is full of ignorant cowards now (our ancestors were better) so this is what we get.

    Learn Mandarin if you can.
    This illegal illegitimate regime that runs America is at fault...not me.... they do not represent me and I have long objected to their crimes against humanity.

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