Climate crisis back on the front burner

**T. A. Gardner** · 11-23-2020, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by BartenderElite

Symbolism is boring. You can take it to any extreme.

What's needed is systemic change - changing the entire way we produce and consume energy.

That would be nuclear power backed by natural gas with hydrogen, ammonia, or even methane used as the portable fuel in fuel cell vehicles. Solar and wind are all around losers not to mention not very environmentally friendly.

**Cypress** · 11-23-2020, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

We look forward to the anti-carbon lectures from a guy who travels the globe on private jets and luxury yachts.

You should not plagiarize someone else's words and pass them off as your own

"We look forward to the anti-carbon lectures from a guy who travels the globe on private jets and luxury yachts."

- NY Post Editorial Board
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost....long-joke/amp/

**Cypress** · 11-23-2020, 09:13 PM

G.M. Drops Its Support for Trump Climate Rollbacks and Aligns With Biden

General Motors said it would no longer back President Trump’s effort to strip California of the power to set fuel economy standards.

WASHINGTON — General Motors turned its back Monday on the Trump administration’s legal fight to nullify California’s strict fuel economy rules, signaling that it was ready to work with President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. to reduce climate-warming emissions from cars and trucks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...trump.amp.html

**BartenderElite** · 11-23-2020, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by dukkha

symbolism? lol..the word is hypocrisy

Nothing hypocritical about it.

Individual action without systemic change is basically meaningless.

**Nordberg** · 11-23-2020, 09:36 PM

Do you know who thinks we have a global warming and serious environmental problems? How about nearly every scientist. How about nearly every environmental scientists. Why do rightys throw their entire faith into outliers? It seems rightys do that so often. You guys believe what some outsider is telling you. Look at how special I am. I believe this guy over here. I am not a sucker following what you people are.
Stay stubborn if you want to but the next generation is not buying what you did. You are going to have serious political problems following that anti-science attitude.
Cleaning up the environment will create lots of jobs. A new field has to build a structure. It needs qualified workers and scientists.
What if the left is wrong? We will have cleaner air , land, and water. How horrible that must be.
What if they are correct? Then environmental problems will create a terrible mess that threatens life on this planet if we do what the right wants. That is the wrong decision.