There is evidence, actually

[cancel2 2022]

It's amusing watching you lot come on here day after day squawking about the election. There is actually substantial evidence in the form of affidavits as you will find out soon enough. Whether it will be enough remains to be seen.

Call me crazy for taking the man with hair dye dripping down his cheeks seriously, but I think it would be unfair to dismiss Rudy Giuliani. Amusingly shambolic he may be. That doesn’t mean he is wrong.

The media has been claiming since the election ended that President Trump’s claims of voter fraud are ‘baseless’ and ‘without evidence’. That just is not true. The President’s lawyer gave examples of it during today’s press conference at the Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington DC. But everyone is too busy mocking him to pay attention.

I tried to listen to what Giuliani actually said and not what he looked like or the characterization of him by the rest of the media. The cameras started feverishly clicking the first time he wiped the sweat from his face, all but guaranteeing that would be the focus of the presser.

Giuliani did in fact present evidence of voter fraud today but many people simply didn’t want to hear it. He cited multiple Americans, one by name, who have signed sworn affidavits stating that they witness some type of fraud, whether it was pro-Trump ballots being thrown out without cause, ballots being backdated to before the election, poll workers being told not to ask voters for identification, and more.
As Giuliani helpfully pointed out, affidavits are considered ‘evidence’ in a court case. Whether you agree or disagree with them is a different question. And it’s reasonable that not all of the people who signed their names would be willing to go public. If you want to hear more of the evidence that was presented, just watch the first hour or so of the press conference.

The more difficult — and crucial — question is whether Trump’s legal team has enough witnesses or other evidence to actually overturn the election in court. That is what journalists should be addressing. But it is simply wrong for the media to assert there is NO evidence of fraud.

I felt like I was living in a different reality when we moved into the question-and-answer portion of the presser and reporters repeatedly demanded Giuliani ‘give us the evidence’. Trump campaign legal adviser Jenna Ellis was right when she said that ‘court cases take time to build and to try. This is not an episode of Law & Order’. I did not feel entirely satisfied by what was presented at the presser, but I am intrigued enough to want the process to play out properly in court. Any honest American should want the same. This is not a trial by media — we cannot expect a legal team to unveil all of their evidence before they get their day in court. It is too early to dismiss Giuliani’s efforts as a mere clown show.

https://spectator.com.au/2020/11/the...ence-actually/

[BartenderElite]

No, there isn't.

When 150 million people vote, it will never be perfect. But there is no evidence - like, zero - of coordinated fraud, or any kind of "massive" fraud. None.

[cancel2 2022]

No, there isn't.

When 150 million people vote, it will never be perfect. But there is no evidence - like, zero - of coordinated fraud, or any kind of "massive" fraud. None.

You are not in any position to know that. Stick to playing with your mates Jack and Jim, they are always there for you.

[moon]

It's amusing watching you lot come on here day after day squawking about the election. There is actually substantial evidence in the form of affidavits as you will find out soon enough. Whether it will be enough remains to be seen.

[Darth Omar]

No, there isn't.

When 150 million people vote, it will never be perfect. But there is no evidence - like, zero - of coordinated fraud, or any kind of "massive" fraud. None.

You can’t say that because you don’t know what evidence they have.

Im beyond getting excited about it so I’m taking a wait and see approach. In fact, I would write it off except for the fact I can’t figure what Powell has to gain from playing lead on this.

She’s a serious woman. If this is a charade what’s the end game? Trump will lose and she’ll just end up with massive egg on her face and a destroyed reputation.

The number of affidavits are another thing that give me pause. I can see getting a handful of them but swearing a false affidavit is a serious crime that can land your ass in jail—so how did they get so many people to take that risk?

So I’m just going to wait and see.

[Doc Dutch]

It's amusing watching you lot come on here day after day squawking about the election. There is actually substantial evidence in the form of affidavits as you will find out soon enough. Whether it will be enough remains to be seen.

https://spectator.com.au/2020/11/the...ence-actually/

The only people squawking about the election are the Trumpeteers and the Pussy Assed Bitch of the United States sitting on a West Wing toilet.

Care to place a wager on future participation on this forum that you are right? If you're right that Trump is really the winner of the election and is inaugurated next January then I'll resign from this forum and never return. None of that spineless sock puppet bullshit. If I'm right that Biden is the lawfully elected President, you resign, never to return. No socks. Deal?

[canceled.2021.1]

You can’t say that because you don’t know what evidence they have.

Im beyond getting excited about it so I’m taking a wait and see approach. In fact, I would write it off except for the fact I can’t figure what Powell has to gain from playing lead on this.

She’s a serious woman. If this is a charade what’s the end game? Trump will lose and she’ll just end up with massive egg on her face and a destroyed reputation.

The number of affidavits are another thing that give me pause. I can see getting a handful of them but swearing a false affidavit is a serious crime that can land your ass in jail—so how did they get so many people to take that risk?

So I’m just going to wait and see.

I am with you. Powell is no joke.

[Doc Dutch]

No, there isn't.

When 150 million people vote, it will never be perfect. But there is no evidence - like, zero - of coordinated fraud, or any kind of "massive" fraud. None.

Agreed. Those claiming fraud are either lying or fools following the one of the biggest liars ever elected to public office.

[katzgar]

It's amusing watching you lot come on here day after day squawking about the election. There is actually substantial evidence in the form of affidavits as you will find out soon enough. Whether it will be enough remains to be seen.




https://spectator.com.au/2020/11/the...ence-actually/

President elect Biden

[Earl]

No, there isn't.

When 150 million people vote, it will never be perfect. But there is no evidence - like, zero - of coordinated fraud, or any kind of "massive" fraud. None.

There was a pattern with many states.

The opening statement presented by Rudy Giuliani and his team will be litigated in the Supreme Court.

You have no clue as to evidence.

[Doc Dutch]

I am with you. Powell is no joke.

When Rush dies in the next few months, I will toast his passing and wish him well burning in Hell.

[StoneByStone]

It's amusing watching you lot come on here day after day squawking about the election. There is actually substantial evidence in the form of affidavits as you will find out soon enough. Whether it will be enough remains to be seen.

People lie on affidavits. If there was any real evidence, Trump's lawyers would present it when they're under oath. The reason they back down when they're under oath is because there is no evidence and they don't want to go to jail.

[Darth Omar]

I am with you. Powell is no joke.

She either isn’t or she’s going to turn out to be.

She has climbed *way out* on a limb with this.

[Earl]

People lie on affidavits. If there was any real evidence, Trump's lawyers would present it when they're under oath. The reason they back down when they're under oath is because there is no evidence and they don't want to go to jail.

The affidavits were made under penalty of perjury, Pebble by Pebble.

There is real evidence of fraud.

Why don't you want to know if the Democrats rigged the election?

[martin]

It's amusing watching you lot come on here day after day squawking about the election. There is actually substantial evidence in the form of affidavits as you will find out soon enough. Whether it will be enough remains to be seen.




https://spectator.com.au/2020/11/the...ence-actually/

Poor argument.

Affidavits are not subject to cross examination and therefore are admissible only in certain circumstances, usually when the averred facts are not at issue. Secondly, if Giuliani actually has affidavits that allege fraud or other reasons for challenging vote totals it is counter productive rather than smart strategy not do disclose them since 1) convincing the public is half the battle and 2) time is short before the voting is certified and the Electoral College is chosen.