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    Quote Originally Posted by katzgar View Post
    America will survive. We have long suffered racism and intolerance but they are slowly fading. The history has always been 2 steps forward and one step back. We are doing a one step back with asg.
    But Trumpf has been able to mobilise an incredible number of swamp creatures against truth, and it's going to take a lot of time and effort to get them settled back in the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo/Penderyn View Post
    But Trumpf has been able to mobilise an incredible number of swamp creatures against truth, and it's going to take a lot of time and effort to get them settled back in the swamp.

    they will settle back of their own weight and many will just die. When you look at the progress minorities have made there is hope. 70% accept same sex marriages and the young are far less religious. Spend some time studying our past racism and homophobia.

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    Hello BidenPresident,

    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    “As facts are presented as ‘fake news’ and ideas originating among those who deny the facts become government policy, we must remember that current talk about ‘post-truth’ has a political and intellectual lineage: the history of fascist lying.”

    A society becomes totalitarian,” Orwell warned in his 1946 essay “The Prevention of Literature”, “when its structure becomes flagrantly artificial: that is, when its ruling class has lost its function but succeeds in clinging to power by force or fraud.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...e-donald-trump
    The falsehood of Republicanism is based on lies.

    Today's Republican party cannot coexist with facts.
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    From the OP link:

    "Republicans no longer oppose Democrats politically: they are opposing them existentially."

    Exactly.

    The two sides cannot begin to discuss what to do because they do not agree on the basic facts which require things to be done.

    It has boiled down to emotional perceptions of people describing one another as non-human rather than discussing situations and appropriate responses to what is happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    From the OP link:

    "Republicans no longer oppose Democrats politically: they are opposing them existentially."

    Exactly.

    The two sides cannot begin to discuss what to do because they do not agree on the basic facts which require things to be done.

    It has boiled down to emotional perceptions of people describing one another as non-human rather than discussing situations and appropriate responses to what is happening.

    GOP is just the Oligarchy Party. Knock them down.

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    Wow. What a thought-provoking article:

    Can American democracy survive Donald Trump?

    Takes a bit to read and comprehend it.

    I had to look up some words and concepts to really understand it all.

    Totally worth it.

    Every American should read and understand every word of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Wow. What a thought-provoking article:

    Can American democracy survive Donald Trump?

    Takes a bit to read and comprehend it.

    I had to look up some words and concepts to really understand it all.

    Totally worth it.

    Every American should read and understand every word of it.

    You cannot solve problems if you do not know the causes.

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    Hello BidenPresident,

    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    GOP is just the Oligarchy Party. Knock them down.
    To be replaced by what?

    Who are any Americans to say what is right?

    Our country is based on a lie.

    We said all men are created equal as we kept slaves.

    We said we wish to live in peace as we imperialistically oppressed the rest of the world.

    We call America great, but we are not great enough to solve world hunger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello BidenPresident,



    To be replaced by what?

    Who are any Americans to say what is right?

    Our country is based on a lie.

    We said all men are created equal as we kept slaves.

    We said we wish to live in peace as we imperialistically oppressed the rest of the world.

    We call America great, but we are not great enough to solve world hunger.
    Democracy does not happen by itself. Each citizen has to demand democracy.

    The will of the people is not hard to determine. It most certainly is not President Trump refusing to concede.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    ORWELL WAS WARNING US AGAINST LEFTISM, YOU FUCKING TWIT, NOT POPULISM..
    No, you illiterate cunt, he wasn't.

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    Hello BidenPresident,

    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Democracy does not happen by itself. Each citizen has to demand democracy.

    The will of the people is not hard to determine. It most certainly is not President Trump refusing to concede.
    Each citizen is not calling for democracy.

    Democracy is in code blue. We don't know if we can save democracy.

    People would rather believe a known liar than to trust in democracy.

    They would only pretend to believe in democracy if the liar was the winner.

    If he wins the election was fine.

    If he loses it was rigged.

    Only one outcome was acceptable.

    That's not democracy.
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    Now we are going to add a new conspiracy to QAnon.

    It will go like this:

    The deep state is so powerful they rigged the election so Biden would win, left absolutely no trace of them doing it, but they weren't able to rig it so Democrats took the Senate too.

    And we will never be able to convince them otherwise.

    The news reporting the real world will have no effect on they who do not believe the news.

    They are stricken with paranoia, afraid of things that are not real, things they made up. Afraid there is this whole underground secret organization that only they know about because they go to obscure websites and 'find out.' And it all sounds so frightening they are afraid to not believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello BidenPresident,



    The falsehood of Republicanism is based on lies.

    Today's Republican party cannot coexist with facts.
    HORSE SHIT. THE LEFT'S THOUGHT POLICE ARE WHAT ORWELL REFERRED TO, DIMWIT.
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


    De Oppresso Liber

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    It did!!! Trump is going to jail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello BidenPresident,



    Each citizen is not calling for democracy.

    Democracy is in code blue. We don't know if we can save democracy.

    People would rather believe a known liar than to trust in democracy.

    They would only pretend to believe in democracy if the liar was the winner.

    If he wins the election was fine.

    If he loses it was rigged.

    Only one outcome was acceptable.

    That's not democracy.

    I agree, it's a crisis.

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