Never-Trumpers cost Trump the election

[BartenderElite]

There is no big mystery to this election. No weird riddle as to why Biden won in such big #'s, but Republicans picked up votes further down the ballot.

Disaffected Republicans who didn't buy into the "don't take his words literally" and "you have to look at results and not the person" were the ones who determined this outcome.

And Trump and his supporters made the mistake of thinking it was just a few prominent politicians and conservative pundits. It was millions of normally solid GOP voters - mostly in the suburbs, where Trump really lost ground (not those inner cities, where Trump has his "fraud" accusations focused).

And he only has himself to blame. Trump and his supporters ridiculed and vilified this group. They made no attempt at all to bring them back into the fold, or make them feel wanted or represented.

[Darth Omar]

There is no big mystery to this election. No weird riddle as to why Biden won in such big #'s, but Republicans picked up votes further down the ballot.

Disaffected Republicans who didn't buy into the "don't take his words literally" and "you have to look at results and not the person" were the ones who determined this outcome.

And Trump and his supporters made the mistake of thinking it was just a few prominent politicians and conservative pundits. It was millions of normally solid GOP voters - mostly in the suburbs, where Trump really lost ground (not those inner cities, where Trump has his "fraud" accusations focused).

And he only has himself to blame. Trump and his supporters ridiculed and vilified this group. They made no attempt at all to bring them back into the fold, or make them feel wanted or represented.

I don’t disagree with that.

Trump cost Trump the election. The broader point is that it was Trump *the person* that cost Trump the election. Though by no means was that the only factor.

Trump’s ideas are another matter. If/when a republican comes along that can attract Trump’s coalition plus those voters who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Trump the person—Democrats will have a difficult time beating them.

The other take home lesson is that progressives took a beating down ballot but nobody talks about that much.

[Saudade]

Oh they cost him the election alright, because they held many positions of power in the government. It's pretty clear that the establishment runs things regardless of who is elected. Voting is just a facade of democracy that we have.

[Darth Omar]

Oh they cost him the election alright, because they held many positions of power in the government. It's pretty clear that the establishment runs things regardless of who is elected. Voting is just a facade of democracy that we have.

To say Trump was sailing into a headwind is an understatement.

[cawacko]

There is no big mystery to this election. No weird riddle as to why Biden won in such big #'s, but Republicans picked up votes further down the ballot.

Disaffected Republicans who didn't buy into the "don't take his words literally" and "you have to look at results and not the person" were the ones who determined this outcome.

And Trump and his supporters made the mistake of thinking it was just a few prominent politicians and conservative pundits. It was millions of normally solid GOP voters - mostly in the suburbs, where Trump really lost ground (not those inner cities, where Trump has his "fraud" accusations focused).

And he only has himself to blame. Trump and his supporters ridiculed and vilified this group. They made no attempt at all to bring them back into the fold, or make them feel wanted or represented.

Eh, he won in ‘16 without Never Trumpers so how could those same folks cost him the election this time? (Now if you’re a Republican, or Democrat, it doesn’t help you to have members of your party not vote for you but nonetheless...)

[StoneByStone]

There is no big mystery to this election. No weird riddle as to why Biden won in such big #'s, but Republicans picked up votes further down the ballot.

Disaffected Republicans who didn't buy into the "don't take his words literally" and "you have to look at results and not the person" were the ones who determined this outcome.

And Trump and his supporters made the mistake of thinking it was just a few prominent politicians and conservative pundits. It was millions of normally solid GOP voters - mostly in the suburbs, where Trump really lost ground (not those inner cities, where Trump has his "fraud" accusations focused).

And he only has himself to blame. Trump and his supporters ridiculed and vilified this group. They made no attempt at all to bring them back into the fold, or make them feel wanted or represented.

These people aren't all "Never-Trumpers," though. Some of them were probably people who gave Trump a chance, but eventually accepted that he failed as president.

[ExpressLane]

There is no big mystery to this election. No weird riddle as to why Biden won in such big #'s, but Republicans picked up votes further down the ballot.

Disaffected Republicans who didn't buy into the "don't take his words literally" and "you have to look at results and not the person" were the ones who determined this outcome.

And Trump and his supporters made the mistake of thinking it was just a few prominent politicians and conservative pundits. It was millions of normally solid GOP voters - mostly in the suburbs, where Trump really lost ground (not those inner cities, where Trump has his "fraud" accusations focused).

And he only has himself to blame. Trump and his supporters ridiculed and vilified this group. They made no attempt at all to bring them back into the fold, or make them feel wanted or represented.

For every never Trumper two former It appears someone stuffed the ballot in a hurry for Biden.

[dukkha]

To say Trump was sailing into a headwind is an understatement.

see my sig

[canceled.2021.1]

I don’t disagree with that.

Trump cost Trump the election. The broader point is that it was Trump *the person* that cost Trump the election. Though by no means was that the only factor.

Trump’s ideas are another matter. If/when a republican comes along that can attract Trump’s coalition plus those voters who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Trump the person—Democrats will have a difficult time beating them.

The other take home lesson is that progressives took a beating down ballot but nobody talks about that much.

That person doesn’t exist in the GOP or Trump would have never gotten the nomination in 2016

If the Republican establishment wants to turn its back on Trump then I will turn my back on the, I will work to defeat both Republican candidates in Georgia. It won’t take much. Dems are poised to steal those seats too. The DMIC will of course blame Trump for losing the Senate.

I want to hasten the destruction of the US. No sense fucking around with democrat lite republicans

[Old Trapper]

They made no attempt at all to bring them back into the fold, or make them feel wanted or represented.

Why would they attempt to do what they know they do not do? And so does everyone else.

[Old Trapper]

For every never Trumper two former It appears someone stuffed the ballot in a hurry for Biden.

More then likely right wingers hired by trump, or Guiliani.

[Saudade]

That person doesn’t exist in the GOP or Trump would have never gotten the nomination in 2016

If the Republican establishment wants to turn its back on Trump then I will turn my back on the, I will work to defeat both Republican candidates in Georgia. It won’t take much. Dems are poised to steal those seats too. The DMIC will of course blame Trump for losing the Senate.

I want to hasten the destruction of the US. No sense fucking around with democrat lite republicans

I hear ya, maybe this would be the only useful form of voting. Accelerationism has its appeals.

[BidenPresident]

I hear ya, maybe this would be the only useful form of voting. Accelerationism has its appeals.

You're an anarchist?

[Bill]

I don’t disagree with that.

Trump cost Trump the election. The broader point is that it was Trump *the person* that cost Trump the election. Though by no means was that the only factor.

Trump’s ideas are another matter. If/when a republican comes along that can attract Trump’s coalition plus those voters who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Trump the person—Democrats will have a difficult time beating them.

The other take home lesson is that progressives took a beating down ballot but nobody talks about that much.

There is the realist Omar we all know & love

They said he would change, or rather wished it so.

After he won super tues, he would change, if he got the nom then if he was elected- *that person* never changed.. It was not an act, he was the child he played through all those victories & in the office...........

He could have reached out, O' so little & could have snatched a few million votes or so, took some pressure off himself-but he didn't.........

He thought just more red meat was needed=you only have one game you always see what you have as the solution........

hasta la vista baby.....

[Saudade]

You're an anarchist?

I'm for ending this dysfunctional system we call a government. So, in that respect, yes.

I'm not a pure anarchist, however, because I do think we could replace this government with a better one.