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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Higher education has metastasized into a cancer whose tendrils spread the latest faddish developments in intersectional, anti-American, anti-Western "woke-ism" all throughout the land.

    It is both terrifying and perverse that America's intellectual gatekeepers -- the "elite"-forming, credentialing institutions that separate the "deplorables" from the ruling class -- impress self-loathing pablum upon impressionable young minds. With some notable exceptions, American higher education today comprises madrasas of wokeness fundamentally hostile to the American regime and the American way of life.
    Many of the far left's most toxic ideas, whether moral relativism, socialism, "anti-racism" or multiculturalism, either begin on campus or gain steam there. It shouldn't surprise anyone that one of the more popular policies in conservative egghead circles today is to expand loan access to, and accreditation support for, trade school alternatives to traditional four-year bachelor's degree-granting programs.

    Intellectual bankruptcy notwithstanding, there are manifold more tangible problems associated with the failed higher education status quo. Four years spent on campus between the ages of 18 and 22 means four prime years forgone from acquiring vocational skills, advancing a career, and mating and forming families. It also often means, due in part to the federal government's effective monopoly over the student loan industry, four years of willful indebtedness to major in such patently silly "subjects" as "gender studies."
    Student loans are now the second-largest source of collective American debt, behind only mortgage debt. By some staggering estimates, Americans have over $1.5 trillion in student loan debt.

    The modern Democratic Party is heavily reliant on woke college graduates for political support, and many on the left have warmed in recent years to large-scale student loan "forgiveness" (at least as a halfway measure, compared to the far left's support for universal free college). Most recently, the likely incoming president, Democrat Joe Biden, has called for "immediate" forgiveness of $10,000 of student loan debt for borrowers.

    This policy is idiotic in the extreme and brazenly immoral. Republicans and sensible Democrats must unite to defeat
    https://townhall.com/columnists/josh...moral-n2580406
    Denigrating education as an excuse to avoid the rigors of becoming educated constitutes Trump-level "reasoning."
    Pretending to elevate populism over elitism is the strategy of a small number of criminal corporate oligarchs to utilize the votes of the ignorant for their own purpose while at the same time assuring that their useful idiots remain idiots.

    The anti-intellectualism of white trash conservatives is as obvious as a common tattoo on all of their foreheads labeling them as fucking idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dachsund View Post
    Yes, I agree, it was the Universities and Colleges of America that were the primary source of the neo-Marxist/Postmodernist concepts that , over 60 years, ultimately leaked out into mainstream American society. I'm taking about doctrines like multiculturalism, the oft-repeated slogan "Diversity is our Strength, Corporations forcing their workers to undergo training sessions in Critical Race Theory, Political Correctness and the growing Cancel Culture, :Affirmative Action" programs being run in educational institutions and the workplace (e.g. workplace QUOTA rules relating to race, ethnicity, gender, SES, etc), the notion of EQUITY equality of OUTCOME for everybody. being touted as as a reasonable/achievable goal.




    The two main forms of neo-Marxist theory that infected American Universities and Colleges were "Critical Theory" which began to gain a firm foot-hold on US campuses in the 1960's and early 1970's, and the Postmodernist philosophical theory which was introduced to America in the late 1960s and by the early 1980's had begun established itself quite firmly in many prestigious US Universities. "Critical Theory" and Postmodern theory are both vehemently anti-Western/anti-American/anti-capitalist; both sets of theory were written by men who had been committed Marxists or neo-Marxists all of their lives (Herbert Marcuse, Theodore Adorno, Max Horkheimer, Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, Richard Rorty, etc) Their primary objective was to destroy the West - to eradicate Western culture and raze Western civilization to the ground. Herbert Marcuse, for instance spent many years in America teach at top Universities like Columbia, Harvard, Brandeis, University of California, San Diego, indoctrinating students with potently anti-American /(and anti-Western) values and inciting them to revolt against "the Establishment" (status quo). Marcuse was born in Germany and was also Jewish. When Hitler came to power in 1933, he and a number of other cutting-edge Marxist intellectuals (who were members of a group called "The Frankfurt School" fled to America and were accepted into the country as refugees from the Nazis who had already begun persecuting Jews in Hitler's Third Reich. Marcuse and his colleagues repaid the favour by teaching American students to hate their country and everything it stood for.





    You need to understand that the neo-Marxist (Critical and Postmodern) theory that is taught in American Universities and Colleges is presented to students in a form that appears very rational and reasonable. Intellectuals like Marcuse (Critical Theory) and Jacques Derrida(Postmodernist philosophical theory) were exceptionally clever and crafty men. Their books were best-sellers in America; they were very dense and technical, though if you struggle slowly through the text, you tended to obtain the impression that a very sound argument has been put forth. It is only when you have the assistance of an academic who is a true expert in Western philosophy, that you come to understand that it is all bullshit - that Marcuse and Derrida are really intellectual charlatans pedaling hateful anti-Western propaganda. But the average 18 - 19 year-old college student who is studying humanities ( e.g. law, social science, English Literature, Anthropology, Political Science, Philosophy, History, etc) does have the benefit of a friend who is an expert to point out the nonsense they they being fed by their professors. And after three or four years of exposure to "woke" neo-Marxist theory they become brain-washed, and I mean that in literally the same sense that military Secret Service experts are able to brain-wash individuals or groups of people using certain psychological techniques. One you are genuinely brain-washed, the only way to return to your former state of mind is to undergo years of re-programming. That is why, no matter how many times you rightly point out to a leftie that what they are saying is illogical, irrational, not factual not scientific, they will simply ignore you and restate their crazy claim/s even more forcefully. Even when they know that some aspect of "woke" ideology is foolish, they will NEVER admit it. They will continue to defend the nonsense robustly even if they know they are lying to themselves, because there is always some twisted rationalization they will be able cook up for this later.





    Half of all the Democrat Congressional Reps are now officially "progressive". "Progressive" means "woke" neo-socialist/neo-Marxist, people like AOC, Ilhan Omar, Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Beto O'Rourke, Corey Booker, and so on. If you take the time to look at the backgrounds of the current members of the Democratic Progressive Caucus you will see that almost all of them have, or have had, links to groups like the Democratic Socialist Party of America and the American Communist Party, you will also find that a number of them have repeatedly travelled to Cuba in the past, and were known to have been sympathetic to Fidel Castro's regime.





    Most of the "progressive" Democrat Reps went to good universities, and most of them studied humanities courses like law and sociology. They are either Boomers or older Millennials, which means the Law, sociology, English Lit, etc courses they took were shot through with neo-Marxist Critical Theory and Postmodernist theory. By the time they graduated they were like little "Che Guevaras" who wanted to start a revolution that would transform American society into a socialist utopia. And the best way to do that, they thought, was to become a professional politician on the hard Left of the Democratic Party.





    I think that the neo-Marxist poison which has been incubating in America's universities and colleges since the early 1960s is the cause of many of the serious problems American society is struggling with today. There is only one thing that can be done to halt to rot and that is for all of the Marxist professors, tutoring and research staff, who are currently working in US universities and colleges to be: (1) Identified (that's very easy to do, BTW) and then (2) Immediately fired and permanently prohibited from working in any American college or university again. Only a very strong President like Donald Trump could ever make this happen (and even he would find it difficult).





    You are right to mention that moral relativism is toxic. "Woke" neo-Marxism ( both Critical Theory and Postmodernist philosophical theory teaches that there is no such thing as absolute, objective morality, that there is no such thing as THE Right and THE Wrong. Students are taught that what is right and what is wrong - what is morally good and what is morally bad, IS PURELY FORTHEM TO DECIDE. The problem with this is that everything in their lives ultimately becomes stripped of all meaning and value. They eventually discover that there is no purpose or meaning in their lives. And when life has no meaning or value or purpose, then there is really no reason to continue living it. The result of moral relativism in America is the epidemic of "Deaths of Despair" (hopelessness) in the US today. I'm taking about the many thousands of Americans who have died over recent years by overdosing (either intentionally or "accidently") on opioid drugs like "Fentanyl" This is just one example of the tremendous damage that neo-Marxism has brought to bear in America in the 21st century.




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    where did you dig up that verbose bullshit? I especially like how you hilariously wasted all those words about progressives and democrats and liberals ruining the education process for the first 5000 words, then in your last paragraph, you connect liberal and progressive educational ideas and polices to THE INCREASED USE OF OXYCONTIN AND FENTANYL, which is basically the drug of choice of low info, low educated trump users in the rural and suburban red states. and you try to connect it to NEO MARXISM, LIKE A FOOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    Higher education has metastasized into a cancer whose tendrils spread the latest faddish developments in intersectional, anti-American, anti-Western "woke-ism" all throughout the land.

    It is both terrifying and perverse that America's intellectual gatekeepers -- the "elite"-forming, credentialing institutions that separate the "deplorables" from the ruling class -- impress self-loathing pablum upon impressionable young minds. With some notable exceptions, American higher education today comprises madrasas of wokeness fundamentally hostile to the American regime and the American way of life.
    Many of the far left's most toxic ideas, whether moral relativism, socialism, "anti-racism" or multiculturalism, either begin on campus or gain steam there. It shouldn't surprise anyone that one of the more popular policies in conservative egghead circles today is to expand loan access to, and accreditation support for, trade school alternatives to traditional four-year bachelor's degree-granting programs.

    Intellectual bankruptcy notwithstanding, there are manifold more tangible problems associated with the failed higher education status quo. Four years spent on campus between the ages of 18 and 22 means four prime years forgone from acquiring vocational skills, advancing a career, and mating and forming families. It also often means, due in part to the federal government's effective monopoly over the student loan industry, four years of willful indebtedness to major in such patently silly "subjects" as "gender studies."
    Student loans are now the second-largest source of collective American debt, behind only mortgage debt. By some staggering estimates, Americans have over $1.5 trillion in student loan debt.

    The modern Democratic Party is heavily reliant on woke college graduates for political support, and many on the left have warmed in recent years to large-scale student loan "forgiveness" (at least as a halfway measure, compared to the far left's support for universal free college). Most recently, the likely incoming president, Democrat Joe Biden, has called for "immediate" forgiveness of $10,000 of student loan debt for borrowers.

    This policy is idiotic in the extreme and brazenly immoral. Republicans and sensible Democrats must unite to defeat
    https://townhall.com/columnists/josh...moral-n2580406


    Trump supporters dropped out of high school. They are dumb and resent people who go to college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    but some of us are here to discuss issues
    You posted crap from a right wing website. You are not here to discuss issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Trump supporters dropped out of high school. They are dumb and resent people who go to college.
    The irony about your comment is the claims that many Universities are hostile to minorities and along with the claim that minorities professors (in this case black people specifically) have been denied hiring or promotions and there's a lack of representation among the (elite) facilities.

    We know it's not high school dropouts who run Universities and make hiring decisions. So how does that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    The irony about your comment is the claims that many Universities are hostile to minorities and along with the claim that minorities professors (in this case black people specifically) have been denied hiring or promotions and there's a lack of representation among the (elite) facilities.

    We know it's not high school dropouts who run Universities and make hiring decisions. So how does that work?

    Wait, you're a right winger saying there is racism in America?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Wait, you're a right winger saying there is racism in America?!
    You mock others education levels but based on your reading comprehension they may be your peers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    You mock others education levels but based on your reading comprehension they may be your peers.
    You ignored my comment. Ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    You ignored my comment. Ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    bye, troll

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    This is the natural result of adding government into anything. Should never have allowed student loans ti get socialized. Nobody need be surprised that there is 1.7trillon in debt now.
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    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    reform is not destroying.
    One thing the Western Liberal Education system has been fantastic at from the beginning is self-reform. That debate you hate so much, it is reform.

    But a wrecking ball is not reform. It is destruction.

    I am sorry you got so little education, but stop blaming everyone else for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Denigrating education as an excuse to avoid the rigors of becoming educated constitutes Trump-level "reasoning."
    Pretending to elevate populism over elitism is the strategy of a small number of criminal corporate oligarchs to utilize the votes of the ignorant for their own purpose while at the same time assuring that their useful idiots remain idiots.

    The anti-intellectualism of white trash conservatives is as obvious as a common tattoo on all of their foreheads labeling them as fucking idiots.


    The great Father of modern Conservatism was an 18th century politician (A Member of the British Parliament) and political philosopher called Edmund Burke. Burke was a brilliant man though he had no time for "intellectuals" who believed they could use abstract rational thought to cook up political systems that would work to dramatically improve societies in the real world. He laughed in their faces because they were assuming that they could sit in their llofty Ivory Towers and use pure reason reason and logic to understand human nature. As though they could provide an accurate and comprehensive account of human nature written down in ink on pape. Because to be a successful political theorist, you must have a profound insight into human nature.




    The problem is that only a fool would contemplate trying to define human nature like this, because it is so phenomenally intricate and complex. And in both Burke's era and today these fools were highly- educated leftists. A Conservative like Burke didn't rely on the use a rational thought so much as he relied on and trusted his "gut instincts", Trump is the same he relies on his innate intuition and his gut instincts to appraise people and situations. Trump's not like Obama who waffles on in pretentious high falutin' speeches full of $10 adjectives about what America's most pressing problems are ( (1) Racism, (2) Racism, (3) Racism) and how his is going to solvea set of clever them using methods: X, Y and Z. It's all perfectly rational and reasonable but nothing ever happens - there's no action. With Trump its different, he able to sum people up using his intuition and gut instincts. He doesn't need to spent much time with someone like his former FBI Director Jim Comey to (correctly) "smell a rat" and and fire the bastard. He works out the Mueller investigation is a Democrat plot to trap him before the hearings start, he knows exactly what is going on and that Robert Mueller was a totally corrupt, ruthless POS in charge of a with hunt and he was right. We now know that that is exactly what it was,My point is that Trump doesn't pretend to be a blousey intellectual- he's not a successful politician in terms of the 125 or so MAJOR accomplishments he's delivered in 4 years to America and to the American people because he has a poxy PhD in political Science from Harvard (People like that generally wouldn't have clue how to lead a successful political administration in the real world because they're typically hopeless, indecisive, hyper-sensitive DORKS


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    Trump is a very intelligent man, but his intelligence is not something that he's acquired from studying 100s of text books or graduating top of the class in Political Theory at some poncy, Ivy League University !. He's cultivate (through his life experiences) a kind of instinctive intelligence the ancient Greeks called Phronesis (practical reasoning and it's) mixed up with a good dash of the political version of what young people call "street nous" or "street smarts" - which something you learn through being a "player" who survives by his wits and prospers in the rough and tumble of the real world.




    Finally, I don't care if Trump doesn't speak English with a posh cut-glass accent, I don't care if he fucked a porn star called Stormy Daniels in 2005, I don't care if he grabbed some attractive young women by the pussy when he was younger. That's Trump's personal business. What I care about is how Trump performs as POTUS. Does he follow through on his promises? YES ! Does he speak his mind honestly ? YES ! Did he manage to deliver the goods for America and Americans in terms of getting the economy of fire, lowering unemployment across every demographic, cutting taxes, terminating ISIS, rebuilding a depleted Defense force, cutting great trade deals for America, telling China "Don't fuck with us, brother, you'll regret it!" Walking out of the" Paris Climate Accord" and saving America billions of dollars it would have to have spent propping up other nations, telling the UN General Assembly we're not interested in your Globalist/ socialist B.S Thank you and good-bye."




    I've only got three little words for the Big Orange Man, and they're......KWELL, VERY KWELL !!.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    school of hard knocks / University of Seizing the Opportunity
    Hardly qualifies you to talk about the actualities of academia?

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