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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    "Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will be making what could be one of his final overseas trips since President-elect Joe Biden appears headed for the White House on Jan. 20, 2021."
    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...udi-Arabia-UAE

    "Strong US ties to be focus of Pompeo visit to Saudi Arabia, UAE: Official"
    indeed

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    Hello Bulletbob,

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletbob View Post
    no O bung hole had a deal a very bad one that was probably one of the biggest mistakes any president ever made . O bung hole did every thing but french kiss the Ayatollahs for the cameras and invite them to have sex with his wife.
    Years of negotiations. Signed by Six nations. The only reason President Trump (name-calling not required - the truth stings bad enough) disparaged it was because of who was president when it was finally completed after years of delicate and diligent diplomacy (something Trump knows nothing of.) If Trump could have been the one to achieve this accomplishment he would have jumped at the chance and gloated over having been the one to do it.

    Trump instead mocked President Obama with the birther nonsense, which was nothing more than a dog whistle call to the worst haters in our society.

    Nobody is born a hater. Hatred has to be taught to innocent young minds. Nobody who is old and steeped in the wisdom of a life well lived becomes a hater.

    Trump's popularity is propped up with hatred.

    Trump is a bad man who rips people off.

    He takes advantage of anyone who falls for his shtick, has put contractors out of business after the work is completed, finds a miniscule flaw and then refuses to pay, leaving honest workers without paychecks. Anyone who has done good work and not been paid feels the bitter sting of this cruel excuse for a real man.

    Trump is a con man, and a very good one at that. Perhaps the greatest con man ever. He has conned half of a great nation that was great long before Trump ever ripped anybody off or discriminated against would be black renters.

    Voting Trump out is the beginning of the reawakening of America, a return to valuable higher principles.

    America will be better off without him.

    The Republican Party will be a reeling headless zombie without their number one cheerleader of hate. Good luck on the party even surviving without splitting in two over it.

    Trump will be relegated to, at best, another crackpot conspiracy theorist with a very strong likelihood of being arrested and facing criminal charges at worst.

    Or perhaps he will flee into the shame of exile to avoid prosecution.

    But if he does that, he loses Secret Service protection. He better hope he has good protection because Iran believes in getting even and they believe they have a major unsettled score over the killing of Soleimani.

    Trump is looking at a tough choice. Stay in the US and risk a prison sentence, or flee and risk Iranian retribution. And he brought it all on himself. Good riddance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Bulletbob,



    Years of negotiations. Signed by Six nations. The only reason President Trump (name-calling not required - the truth stings bad enough) disparaged it was because of who was president when it was finally completed after years of delicate and diligent diplomacy (something Trump knows nothing of.) If Trump could have been the one to achieve this accomplishment he would have jumped at the chance and gloated over having been the one to do it.

    Trump instead mocked President Obama with the birther nonsense, which was nothing more than a dog whistle call to the worst haters in our society.

    Nobody is born a hater. Hatred has to be taught to innocent young minds. Nobody who is old and steeped in the wisdom of a life well lived becomes a hater.

    Trump's popularity is propped up with hatred.

    Trump is a bad man who rips people off.

    He takes advantage of anyone who falls for his shtick, has put contractors out of business after the work is completed, finds a miniscule flaw and then refuses to pay, leaving honest workers without paychecks. Anyone who has done good work and not been paid feels the bitter sting of this cruel excuse for a real man.

    Trump is a con man, and a very good one at that. Perhaps the greatest con man ever. He has conned half of a great nation that was great long before Trump ever ripped anybody off or discriminated against would be black renters.

    Voting Trump out is the beginning of the reawakening of America, a return to valuable higher principles.

    America will be better off without him.

    The Republican Party will be a reeling headless zombie without their number one cheerleader of hate. Good luck on the party even surviving without splitting in two over it.

    Trump will be relegated to, at best, another crackpot conspiracy theorist with a very strong likelihood of being arrested and facing criminal charges at worst.

    Or perhaps he will flee into the shame of exile to avoid prosecution.

    But if he does that, he loses Secret Service protection. He better hope he has good protection because Iran believes in getting even and they believe they have a major unsettled score over the killing of Soleimani.

    Trump is looking at a tough choice. Stay in the US and risk a prison sentence, or flee and risk Iranian retribution. And he brought it all on himself. Good riddance.
    Yes after years Of O bung hole giving in to the Iranians , appeasing them and demonstrating how weak a man he is, a very impressive job of selling out America. He did a wonderful job sucking up to a nation who has vowed to kill us all.

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    Yes wanting them to dismantle their nuke program and missile testing and stop funding terrorism was just to much for Trump to ask for from Iran.
    The great O bung hole deal allowed them to keep working on their nuke program keep testing missile systems and ICBM and funding terrorist , and he paid them to do .
    It would be impossible for Trump to give them a better deal then that, unless he gave them ICBM and nuke war head technology and the money to develop it and a few billion to help fund terrorist around the world.
    The deal O bung hole gave them was great for Iran and terrible for the rest of mankind.

    And you actually think Iran would willing make a deal to do away with their funding of terror and their missile and nuke program ?
    They are a nation run by religious Muslim zealots , they are not a nation run by People with common sense and logic who want to join the rest of the civilized world and be peaceful .

    They need to be forced into submission , thats the only way they will ever give in .
    I really do wish it was not that way , no doubt some innocent Iranians suffer because of sanctions against their government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletbob View Post
    Yes wanting them to dismantle their nuke program and missile testing and stop funding terrorism was just to much for Trump to ask for from Iran.
    The great O bung hole deal allowed them to keep working on their nuke program keep testing missile systems and ICBM and funding terrorist , and he paid them to do .
    It would be impossible for Trump to give them a better deal then that, unless he gave them ICBM and nuke war head technology and the money to develop it and a few billion to help fund terrorist around the world.
    The deal O bung hole gave them was great for Iran and terrible for the rest of mankind.

    And you actually think Iran would willing make a deal to do away with their funding of terror and their missile and nuke program ?
    They are a nation run by religious Muslim zealots , they are not a nation run by People with common sense and logic who want to join the rest of the civilized world and be peaceful .

    They need to be forced into submission , thats the only way they will ever give in .
    I really do wish it was not that way , no doubt some innocent Iranians suffer because of sanctions against their government.
    Aren't you aware that Iran was fully monitored by the IAEA and kept to its nuclear agreement responsibilities ?
    Aren't you aware that the US is governed by white Evangelical fanatics who dance to the tune of Israeli fascism ?
    Aren't you aware that the fascist, Netanyahu, lies through his teeth about Iran and desperately wants war between Iran and the US to promote Neo-Zionist interests ?

    Why are you promoting the idea that Americans should die for fascist Jews ? America fights against fascism- or did, before Trump.

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...the-day-497775
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Aren't you aware that Iran was fully monitored by the IAEA and kept to its nuclear agreement responsibilities ?
    Aren't you aware that the US is governed by white Evangelical fanatics who dance to the tune of Israeli fascism ?
    Aren't you aware that the fascist, Netanyahu, lies through his teeth about Iran and desperately wants war between Iran and the US to promote Neo-Zionist interests ?

    Why are you promoting the idea that Americans should die for fascist Jews ? America fights against fascism- or did, before Trump.

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Po...the-day-497775
    are you aware that Iran lies a lot and denied inspections?.


    https://www.haaretz.com/iran-un-fail...base-1.5163774


    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...y-base-when-we


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1B918E


    https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....-nuclear-deal/



    US is governed by white Evangelical fanatics who dance to the tune of Israeli fascism , really lol get a grip sir .

    So Jews are fascist lol I trust them a lot more then I do Iran or the Saudis or china or Russia and pretty well more then any Muslim nation.
    You clearly have a issue with them and I am not sure why they are not Fascist at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletbob View Post
    are you aware that Iran lies a lot
    So does trump does that dampen your appetite for him??




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    So does trump does that dampen your appetite for him??
    There a difference between Im not sure your can understand that, Politicians make promises , many tend to never happen .
    Many that Blow hole joe have promised you will never happen they simply are not achievable or will not have the desired effect.

    These a big difference between that and dealing with a nation lying about its nuke program and missile program and what they plan on doing with it.

    Here a example trump didn't completely build a wall or get Mexico to pay for it , bummer for sure and I have serious doubt that blow hole joe will cure cancer or covid or unite America , bummer I wish he could but we both pretty well know that wont happen either.

    Now Iran has been doing research on its military bases and telling the world nothing to see here you cant inspect , we want nuke tech for power
    ( yea Right we all believe that one ) Well if they are lying its not bummer wish they could its people will die as they have vowed to destroy America and Israel .
    Are you capable of reasoning the difference ?

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    A lie is a lie, stop excusing it..........

    So, as w/ many here, there is no lie trump could tell you would call him on...........

    No matter, he is history now...........




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletbob View Post
    are you aware that Iran lies a lot and denied inspections?.


    https://www.haaretz.com/iran-un-fail...base-1.5163774


    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...y-base-when-we


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKCN1B918E


    https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy....-nuclear-deal/



    US is governed by white Evangelical fanatics who dance to the tune of Israeli fascism , really lol get a grip sir .

    So Jews are fascist lol I trust them a lot more then I do Iran or the Saudis or china or Russia and pretty well more then any Muslim nation.
    You clearly have a issue with them and I am not sure why they are not Fascist at all.
    These old and elderly links are meaningless and ' military sites ' are not nuclear sites as described in the IAEA agreement that Trump welched on.

    Yes, some Jews are fascists. Israel is described as a fascist state by elements of the Israeli press. You are clearly out of the loop and simply sucking up the Neo-Zionist propaganda.
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    Hello Bulletbob,

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletbob View Post
    Yes after years Of O bung hole giving in to the Iranians , appeasing them and demonstrating how weak a man he is, a very impressive job of selling out America. He did a wonderful job sucking up to a nation who has vowed to kill us all.
    None of the above things mentioned about President Obama are true. 100% hateful propaganda, the type that is hurting our already-great country and causing the bitter polarization which prevents America from being a functional nation or making progress on important issues.

    Q: Why do Trump supporters refuse to believe the news?

    A: Because if they did, they would know how foolish it is to support such an immoral person.

    President Trump made a lot of promises that he never kept, and getting a better deal with Iran was a big one. He decried the deal which was struck after years of negotiations. That deal was eventually agreed to by Iran. That was huge to get them to agree on anything the USA wanted because the USA has done Iran wrong before. We thought we could go a meddle in the affairs of a smaller country and install a USA-friendly government. We did so in Iran, and it didn't last. Now they have a huge bone to pick with the USA over it. We need to be honest with ourselves. The USA owes Iran big time for what we did to them. It was huge for them to enter into an agreement with us. Very huge. Trump screwed that up, screwed up years of history and a chance at atonement and better relations.

    His foolish move also sent the message to the world that if you enter into an agreement with the USA, that the USA can't be trusted to uphold their end of the deal. Trump trashed United States credibility for years and decades to come. The damage he has caused in this and many other ares is immense. The best thing the USA ever did was to vote Trump out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    These old and elderly links are meaningless and ' military sites ' are not nuclear sites as described in the IAEA agreement that Trump welched on.

    Yes, some Jews are fascists. Israel is described as a fascist state by elements of the Israeli press. You are clearly out of the loop and simply sucking up the Neo-Zionist propaganda.
    yes the links are older because thats when they happens, it was not yesterday you know.
    And yes they are military site O yes I see you think Iran would not cheat and set up shop on military bases
    They di have such a great reputation for telling the truth and being up front don't they.
    Im sure a nation like Iran can be trusted to be 100 percent honest and not lie or cheat .

    Your denying the truth and facts and history sir.

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    Hello Bulletbob,

    Quote Originally Posted by Bulletbob View Post
    yes the links are older because thats when they happens, it was not yesterday you know.
    And yes they are military site O yes I see you think Iran would not cheat and set up shop on military bases
    They di have such a great reputation for telling the truth and being up front don't they.
    Im sure a nation like Iran can be trusted to be 100 percent honest and not lie or cheat .

    Your denying the truth and facts and history sir.
    As if the USA can be trusted to honor an agreement made.

    Well, at least we could until Trump.

    Now we are going to have to earn trust and respectability again.
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    I think Trumpf did a very remarkable thing - more or less rallied, by half-witted bullying, the Iranian population behind a collapsing regime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Bulletbob,



    As if the USA can be trusted to honor an agreement made.

    Well, at least we could until Trump.

    Now we are going to have to earn trust and respectability again.
    This cunt gives me the PIP
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    An estimated 61-80,000 Americans died and 800,000 were hospitalised in the 2017-18 flu season, including the most virulent Type A version of H3N2, so why didn't you arseholes call for the total destruction of the world's economic system then? I hope you have plenty of time to ponder over that when you all lose your houses, jobs and relationships!

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