Members banned from this thread: BRUTALITOPS, Minister of Truth, The Anonymous, USFREEDOM911, cancel2 2022, PostmodernProphet, Legion, Truth Detector, Legion Troll, canceled.2021.2, CFM, Superfreak, volsrock, Yurt, Earl, Terri4Trump, Lord Yurt, OG Yurt and Yakuda |
Cypress (11-19-2020)
Ye gods, it doth amaze me (Shakespeare)
~~
Buddhists dont worry about God/gods. Gods dont intercede in our lives, so let the gods do what gods do
we must take responsibility for our lives.
But I'm fond of a loving God of Christianity -certainly the New Testament is a worthy life
so let the gods sort it out, and God help us all
Now, when I talked to God, I knew He'd understand
He said, "Stick by my side and I'll be your guiding hand
But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to"
Okay gotcha.
I have no doubt that leptons, quarks, and higgs bosons are real.
My belief - yes, belief - is that our minds, our reason, our rationality have limits and may not be capable of grasping deeper realities and higher truths that exist independent of our sensory perceptions and mental faculties. I view it as a form of humility.
Just my two cents.
In short, I hope ultimate reality is more than a collection of elementary particles and energy fields we can measure or infer in particle accelerators.
Plato's forms were ideas which structure our concepts. Not sure what attributing ultimate reality to them proves.
What Plato and Kant were arguing for is that our experience is structured and we can discover those structures. But where they are wrong is that the structures themselves are not
the truths of our experience and are only abstractions.
Last edited by BidenPresident; 11-20-2020 at 01:01 PM.
I am just stating what scholars say: Plato's allegory of the cave and his theory of ideal forms is Plato's way of articulating ultimate reality.
It is not my opinion, I have no idea if Plato's alkegory of the cave is a reflection of ultimate reality and a higher truth..Unveiling Ultimate Reality in Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" and the "Bhagavad Gita"
https://www.google.com/amp/www.inqui...-bhagavad-gita
In basic terms, Plato's Theory of Forms asserts that the physical world is not really the 'real' world; instead, ultimate reality exists beyond our physical world. ...
https://study.com/academy/lesson/the...ritual%20realm.
I do not know empirically what ultimate reality is, or if there is a meaning to life.
What I do know is that science and reason do not provide us objective knowlege or truth. Scientific knowlege is always provisional, and limitations on reason are imposed by human psychology and cognitive capacity.
With that framework, it is clear to me that there is a higher truth, an ultimate reality we do not have access to through technology, science, or reason
"I am just stating what scholars say: Plato's allegory of the cave and his theory of ideal forms is Plato's way of articulating ultimate reality."
One person saying something does not establish truth.
"it is clear to me that there is a higher truth, an ultimate reality we do not have access to through technology, science, or reason"
If you want to express your opinion you can. There is nothing to discuss, then.
Since I do not have a PhD in philosophy, I place a lot of weight and credibility on trained academic scholars
"Plato’s ontological and epistemological teaching is that with the right education, one possessing the proper constitution can advance from mere opinion of sensible particulars to true knowledge of the eternal, unchanging Forms—i.e., of ultimate reality."
- Dr. Michael Sugrue, professor of philosophy, Princeton University
Bookmarks