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    Forward infinity is imaginable.
    Just more of the same shit forever.

    The human minds struggles with the concept of backwards infinity.

    If there was truly a beginning, what was before that?

    It doesn't make sense, and if you go strictly by perceptible evidence, coming up with a god creator doesn't help explain anything.

    I would offer this much.
    If there really was an omnipotent creator, then this universe doesn't represent very much of an effort on the creator's part.
    Certainly not an effort worthy of worship.
    An omnipotent creator would be capable of much better.

    I just can't seem to suspend logic sufficiently to NOT see religion as a form of mental illness.
    Smart people who would accept no other important premise on the same quality of evidence and logic do accept the premise of a divine creator.
    If they're smart about other things, it can't be lack of intelligence.
    It has to be a form of insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NiftyNiblick View Post
    Forward infinity is imaginable.
    Just more of the same shit forever.

    The human minds struggles with the concept of backwards infinity.

    If there was truly a beginning, what was before that?

    I like the reasoning of Aristotle against infinite regress. If we keep going for a cause before each cause we can never explain anything.

    Thus, the universe always existed. There is an intelligence to the universe, but for Aristotle, this God did not create the universe.

    Christians tried to personalize the universe with a God we can communicate with. But this only puts the same questions into God--the why question is another infinite regress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    Exactly. Maybe reality is nothing but a subatomic collection fermions, hadrons, and bosons and there is no deeper reality than that.

    On the flip side, we have pretty good mathematical equations which mechanistically describe how space, time, energy, matter are all interrelated, interchangeable. But a lot of people think it is interesting to ask why it should be like that.
    Yeah. Is there the 'Watch Maker' behind everything, or is just Randomness.

    I think some people just need 'Order' in their Lives. Belief in 'God' is like having a warm blanket to protect you from the Cold.
    The thought of existing on a mudball as it spins through space with no one at the helm is a terrifying concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Yeah. Is there the 'Watch Maker' behind everything, or is just Randomness.

    What does Randomness refer to? What investment have you made toward Randomness?

    What value is randomness?

    What value is 'Watch Maker'?

    Don't care for my semantics?


    Your quote amounts only to poetry. Poetic musing aka "flowery words"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    What does Randomness refer to? What investment have you made toward Randomness?

    What value is randomness?

    What value is 'Watch Maker'?

    Don't care for my semantics?


    Your quote amounts only to poetry. Poetic musing aka "flowery words"

    It's the 'God'/'No God' argument. (does that help?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Yeah. Is there the 'Watch Maker' behind everything, or is just Randomness.
    SOME people just need 'Order' in their Lives. Belief in 'God' is like having a warm blanket to protect you from the Cold.
    The thought of existing on a mudball as it spins through space with no one at the helm is a terrifying concept.
    So all the pre-columbian and pre-Colonial regions of the world were filled with terrified people going about their terrifying lives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    It's the 'God'/'No God' argument. (does that help?)
    No YOU DON'T KNOW GOD!

    Just like you don't know Derrick Jetter or Lady Gaga or Melania's sisters.

    You have no know-how ---yet feel prompted to backseat driving.

    It's the 'ME of Esteem'/'ME without Esteem' quagmire. (does help exist?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    So all to pre-columbian and pre-Colonial regions of the world were filled with terrified people going about their terrifying lives?

    Trying to explain things. High Priests. Witch Doctors. Sorcerers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    No YOU DON'T KNOW GOD!

    Just like you don't know Derrick Jetter or Lady Gaga or Melania's sisters.

    You have no know-how ---yet feel prompted to backseat driving.

    It's the 'ME of Esteem'/'ME without Esteem' quagmire. (does help exist?)

    I'm not concerned with it. If there is a Level II, I'll deal with it when I get there.

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    media doesn't enlighten you.

    you can't fight cityhall.

    taxes and death are sure.

    Rat races and dog-eat-dogs

    small egos mal-fed superficial pastimes

    lusty musks spinning heads in constant traffic

    old age disease and deaths

    Live fast die young and have a good looking corpse?

    "SOME people just need 'Order' in their Lives ---lest they be terrified."

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    Can we take turns defining what is "God"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaktajan View Post
    Can we take turns defining what is "God"?
    Why?

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    As I said

    God is the source of Personhood.



    It seems that this concept draws a blank in everyone mind.


    IMO that's okay. It a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Why?
    Because I said so.

    Never mind that that is the OP in a religion thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    'God'. Could be many things.
    Okay. Like what?

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