Boeing 737 MAX can return to the skies, says FAA

[Into the Night]

[B][SIZE=3]I won't be flying on it now or ever?!!

Well, that's your choice. Find an airline that is using Airbus equipment, if you don't like Boeing. Of course, the Airbus has had problems with it's fin spar (a critical component of the structure), software problems affecting primary flight controls (critical flight controls), and evacuation slides that sometimes don't work, but hey...it's your call.

Or, you could take the train (if there is one!) and deal with the runaway locomotives, derailments, slow service, etc.

Or, you could just drive, and deal with the poor road conditions, the lousy drivers on the road with you, and the hotel fees along the way.

Or, you could just walk, and deal with the hazards to pedestrians, the blisters, the harsh weather conditions, and packing more on your back.

Or, you could just stay home and hide in your bunker.

[Hawkeye10]

Well, that's your choice. Find an airline that is using Airbus equipment, if you don't like Boeing. Of course, the Airbus has had problems with it's fin spar (a critical component of the structure), software problems affecting primary flight controls (critical flight controls), and evacuation slides that sometimes don't work, but hey...it's your call.

Or, you could take the train (if there is one!) and deal with the runaway locomotives, derailments, slow service, etc.

Or, you could just drive, and deal with the poor road conditions, the lousy drivers on the road with you, and the hotel fees along the way.

Or, you could just walk, and deal with the hazards to pedestrians, the blisters, the harsh weather conditions, and packing more on your back.

Or, you could just stay home and hide in your bunker.

Or BOEING and the FAA could get their shit together.

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It's rather extensive, and cannot be reproduced here, but some important changes include:

* software now uses two sensors, not just one for critical measurements. Either sensor failure now enters a safe mode, which disconnects the trim system and notifies the pilot.
* range of control surface movement for trim surfaces was reduced.
* some wiring harnesses were rerouted and improved to reduce chafing.
* audible and visual warning systems for trim system failure are now standard equipment.
* improved training for foreign pilots (where the crashes occurred) to better detect and properly deal with trim system failure. This also affects domestic pilots, which already have this training before ever flying a jet at all.
* emphasis placed in operation manuals that the trim system is not a critical flight system, but can affect flight safety if failure is ignored.
* improved auditing and monitoring by FAA personnel during manufacture.
* conducted entire certification application and flight tests again.

The biggest problem was the MCAS angle of attack sensors should have been made dual redundant as standard, not an optional extra. MCAS had already been deployed on the KC-46 flight refuelling tanker but that version has two sensors as standard. Horizontal stabiliser trim movement is also more limited than on the 737 Max and can be overridden by pulling on the controls.

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Or BOEING and the FAA could get their shit together.

I flew on an 737 Max 9 last year in Thailand, very smooth flight.

[Hawkeye10]

The biggest problem was the MCAS angle of attack sensors should have been made dual redundant as standard, not an optional extra. MCAS had already been deployed on the KC-46 flight refuelling tanker but that version has two sensors as standard. Control surface movement is also more limited than on the 737 Max and can be manually overridden by moving the joystick.

The biggest failure was that the plane is unstable because it is of poor design, needing flight control software to overcome, which boeing should have never done but once they did they needed to be transparent about, which they were not.

[Matt Dillon]

If they can find passengers.

Lemme find that one true Aviation meme..

Back in the day it was surf n turf and hot stewardesses, now it's just fucked!





You used to get prime rib and shrimp cocktail in 1st class. Better off having your own plane these days.

[Hawkeye10]

I flew on an 737 Max 9 last year in Thailand, very smooth flight.

Boeing will never recover from the betrayal of doing a bad design, using software to fix it, and then keeping pilots in the dark.

A company that is willing to do that will do anything.

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Boeing will never recover from the betrayal of doing a bad design, using software to fix it, and then keeping pilots in the dark.

A company that is willing to do that will do anything.

The KC-46A flight refuelling tanker had MCAS fitted years before but with dual AoA sensors as standard. Easy to have 20/20 hindsight but Boeing were faced with a huge dilemma, wait a decade to roll out a totally new design and lose business to Airbus or use MCAS which was already in use.

[Hawkeye10]

The KC-46A flight refuelling tanker had MCAS fitted years before but with dual AoA sensors as standard.

And the B-2 could never get off the ground without computers to stabilize it....civilian craft must operate at a higher standard.

[Nordberg]

Don't you think it wrong to make critical safety equipment an option?

[Hawkeye10]

The original sin here was that Boeing was unwilling to do a new design because it would take longer and cost more and cut down on the amount of money executives and owners could skim off of the company.

Once Boeing knew that the Max was unstable they knew that they were sacrificing safety in the pursuit of greed.

Let's not forget this.

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The original sin here was that Boeing was unwilling to do a new design because it would take longer and cost more and cut down on the amount of money executives and owners could skim off of the company.

Once Boeing knew that the Max was unstable they knew that they were sacrificing safety in the pursuit of greed.

Let's not forget this.

You could also ask why didn't the airlines involved have dual AoA sensors?

[Hawkeye10]

You could also ask why didn't the airlines involved have dual AoA sensors?

I could also ask how in these times is is possible that we dont know where MH370 went down, and why.

The answer is gross negligence.

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I could also ask how in these times is is possible that we dont know where MH370 went down, and why.

The answer is gross negligence.

It is almost certain that the Ethiopian crash was caused by a bird strike disabling the AoA sensor on takeoff. If they had two sensors then that wouldn't have happened.

[Matt Dillon]

I haven't flown since I took a gun and a 1/2 oz of weed to Miami on plane..LOL!

And I did, too! The days of that happening are over.