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    Default This last four years has made me a radical moderate.

    I am radicalized in my belief in moderate government. The lunatic fringes on each side
    can't see each others point of view. It is imperative that a political movement exist that can
    see the actual philosophic merit in both sides.

    Yes, as the right does I see the need for a society where effort and excellence are the lodestar aim and virtue, and sloth and indolence can
    result from a nanny state that coddles and creates a learned helplessness of an underclass.

    Yes, I see that losing is a structural side effect of robust capitalism and that a strong social safetynet is a moral imperative. I see health care
    as a right. Those who can pay for it, must pay for it, those who cannot must be subsidized.

    But you people left and right of me can't even see the opposite viewpoint at all. Reasonable disagreement and countervailing
    costs and ends are not even acknowledged as existing.

    I am therefore RADICAL in my clutching to moderation. I feel as strongly about being moderate as you ideologues do about
    your non negotiable extremist views, paradox be damned.

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    You are a lunatic on the far left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    I am radicalized in my belief in moderate government. The lunatic fringes on each side
    can't see each others point of view. It is imperative that a political movement exist that can
    see the actual philosophic merit in both sides.

    Yes, as the right does I see the need for a society where effort and excellence are the lodestar aim and virtue, and sloth and indolence can
    result from a nanny state that coddles and creates a learned helplessness of an underclass.

    Yes, I see that losing is a structural side effect of robust capitalism and that a strong social safetynet is a moral imperative. I see health care
    as a right. Those who can pay for it, must pay for it, those who cannot must be subsidized.

    But you people left and right of me can't even see the opposite viewpoint at all. Reasonable disagreement and countervailing
    costs and ends are not even acknowledged as existing.

    I am therefore RADICAL in my clutching to moderation. I feel as strongly about being moderate as you ideologues do about
    your non negotiable extremist views, paradox be damned.
    Reality Check, Mic: YOU ARE A SOCIALIST!
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    Fascist ideologues ^^^

    I will retort using a random number generator

    59728841


    I win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    I am radicalized in my belief in moderate government. The lunatic fringes on each side
    can't see each others point of view. It is imperative that a political movement exist that can
    see the actual philosophic merit in both sides.

    Yes, as the right does I see the need for a society where effort and excellence are the lodestar aim and virtue, and sloth and indolence can
    result from a nanny state that coddles and creates a learned helplessness of an underclass.

    Yes, I see that losing is a structural side effect of robust capitalism and that a strong social safetynet is a moral imperative. I see health care
    as a right. Those who can pay for it, must pay for it, those who cannot must be subsidized.

    But you people left and right of me can't even see the opposite viewpoint at all. Reasonable disagreement and countervailing
    costs and ends are not even acknowledged as existing.

    I am therefore RADICAL in my clutching to moderation. I feel as strongly about being moderate as you ideologues do about
    your non negotiable extremist views, paradox be damned.
    You are a conservative. What is the crisis?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by votebiden View Post
    You are a conservative. What is the crisis?!
    Depends on the point of view. I see from my vantage large swaths of people to the far right and far left of me.

    The wholesale destruction of beneficial societal norms. The fact that a media exists that can cause, by hook or crook and the electoral college, the election of a immoral incompetent lying crazed lunatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    I am radicalized in my belief in moderate government. The lunatic fringes on each side
    can't see each others point of view. It is imperative that a political movement exist that can
    see the actual philosophic merit in both sides.

    Yes, as the right does I see the need for a society where effort and excellence are the lodestar aim and virtue, and sloth and indolence can
    result from a nanny state that coddles and creates a learned helplessness of an underclass.

    Yes, I see that losing is a structural side effect of robust capitalism and that a strong social safetynet is a moral imperative. I see health care
    as a right. Those who can pay for it, must pay for it, those who cannot must be subsidized.

    But you people left and right of me can't even see the opposite viewpoint at all. Reasonable disagreement and countervailing
    costs and ends are not even acknowledged as existing.

    I am therefore RADICAL in my clutching to moderation. I feel as strongly about being moderate as you ideologues do about
    your non negotiable extremist views, paradox be damned.
    What's weird is that every Capitalist nation in the first world has tax-funded healthcare protocols but the American lemmings still buy into it being that Socialism boogieman. You look back and everything from labor laws to just about any societal advancement for the commoner's sake was called socialism by the elite and believed by lemmings. They complain about liberal elites being the issue while the marionette strings from the corporate elite are clearly attatched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFM View Post
    You are a lunatic on the far left.
    You are a hateful idiot! Just so you will know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    What's weird is that every Capitalist nation in the first world has tax-funded healthcare protocols but the American lemmings still buy into it being that Socialism boogieman. You look back and everything from labor laws to just about any societal advancement for the commoner's sake was called socialism by the elite and believed by lemmings. They complain about liberal elites being the issue while the marionette strings from the corporate elite are clearly attatched.
    Look at the self-described conservatives in this very thread. Sub-simian levels of stupidity and zero education. The only thing they're good at is doing what their masters tell them to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    I am radicalized in my belief in moderate government. The lunatic fringes on each side
    can't see each others point of view. It is imperative that a political movement exist that can
    see the actual philosophic merit in both sides.

    Yes, as the right does I see the need for a society where effort and excellence are the lodestar aim and virtue, and sloth and indolence can
    result from a nanny state that coddles and creates a learned helplessness of an underclass.

    Yes, I see that losing is a structural side effect of robust capitalism and that a strong social safetynet is a moral imperative. I see health care
    as a right. Those who can pay for it, must pay for it, those who cannot must be subsidized.

    But you people left and right of me can't even see the opposite viewpoint at all. Reasonable disagreement and countervailing
    costs and ends are not even acknowledged as existing.

    I am therefore RADICAL in my clutching to moderation. I feel as strongly about being moderate as you ideologues do about
    your non negotiable extremist views, paradox be damned.
    Great words and agreed. Now let's see you walk the walk.

    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    This is exactly where you should be Micawber.
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    I agree with this sentiment. I think age and wisdom make one move closer to the center. Personally I am a pragmatist. For example, I don't believe a one time wealth tax is 'liberal', it's simply a necessary adjustment to wealth distribution to allow the economy to function properly. Same with tax policy. All taxes are not created equal, and the optimal tax policy is almost certainly going to put a greater burden on higher incomes, because those dollars will accelerate if shifted to lower incomes through social programs. All that being said, I consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. It's hilarious to see the 'communist' label placed on me.

    For the record, I benefit from Trumps tax policies. Pre-emptive strike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodile View Post
    What's weird is that every Capitalist nation in the first world has tax-funded healthcare protocols but the American lemmings still buy into it being that Socialism boogieman. You look back and everything from labor laws to just about any societal advancement for the commoner's sake was called socialism by the elite and believed by lemmings. They complain about liberal elites being the issue while the marionette strings from the corporate elite are clearly attatched.
    They've been playing that card for 75 years. Tried and true misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    I agree with this sentiment. I think age and wisdom make one move closer to the center. Personally I am a pragmatist. For example, I don't believe a one time wealth tax is 'liberal', it's simply a necessary adjustment to wealth distribution to allow the economy to function properly. Same with tax policy. All taxes are not created equal, and the optimal tax policy is almost certainly going to put a greater burden on higher incomes, because those dollars will accelerate if shifted to lower incomes through social programs. All that being said, I consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. It's hilarious to see the 'communist' label placed on me.

    For the record, I benefit from Trumps tax policies. Pre-emptive strike.
    The same term can mean different things to different people so from a 30K foot perspective how do you define fiscal conservatism or being fiscally conservative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    The same term can mean different things to different people so from a 30K foot perspective how do you define fiscal conservatism or being fiscally conservative?
    Thinking a one time wealth tax is necessary isn't Liberal, it's Leftist.

    Wanting to put a greater tax burden on the wealthier/higher incomes because you're jealous isn't Liberal. It's leftist.

    It's hilarious that you consider yourself fiscally conservative. By definition, fiscally conservative means lower taxes, less government spending, and minimal government debt.

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