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Thread: The Green New Deal Can’t Break The Laws Of Physics

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Who's pumping the wind and sun power?
    Why don't you ask them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BartenderElite View Post
    Nuke is not, and I have been very conflicted on it, because it is a clean and plentiful resource.

    But when you look at all aspects of it, it is generationally irresponsible. We really don't know how to handle the waste - along with other problematic issues surrounding the constant need for maintaining and monitoring nuclear facilities.
    If this country goes over to alternative you will still need to maintain and monitor. At least with Nuclear you have reliable power and a small footprint. I am a proponent of alternative energies by the way. A strong proponent. But a rational one who understand the limitations of them with present technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Uranium is finite.
    So is the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    Why don't you ask them?
    I am asking you.

    Here's an example: you can use ice like a magnifying glass to start a fire. Thus free heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    So is the sun.
    LOL. That's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Uranium is finite.
    To all intents and purposes thorium is infinite. Anyway MSR's can reuse spent fuel, surely you know that?

    From Quora.

    America made a wrong turn at the beginning and MSR technology was all but forgotten until a guy named Kurt Sorenson, an engineer working for NASA, started poking around for sources of energy to use on the moon. He discovered the thorium MSR. It was developed at ORNL, Oak Ridge National Laboratories, by Alvin Weinberg. A prototype was made and it ran successfully for four years when Nixon shut it down. The US wanted fissile uranium or plutonium to make bombs, and the MSR didn’t do that well. The rest is history. The US is stuck on the high-pressure uranium fuel cycle.

    After Kurt made his discovery, he let the world know by giving out the ORNL information on the thorium MSR. The world started to notice, especially the Chinese. An ambient pressure reactor with fail-safe characteristics that ran on liquid fuels, not solid, and burned almost all its fuel compared to less than 5% in current uranium reactors. Not only that, but at high temperatures, these reactors could be used to desalinate seawater, create synthetic fuels and fertilizer by using CO2 from the atmosphere, and create clean energy.

    A version can also be designed to burn existing unburned uranium fuels left from our existing reactors. China is taking the lead in this area of fourth generation nuclear reactor development. They have two programs running. One using a pebble bed design originally developed by Germany. With German help, this reactor design is about to come online this year. The liquid fuel version also will prototype soon as soon as testing of metal alloys and demonstration of the fuel cycle is completed. China hopes to have commercial versions before 2030. They are spending $3.3 billion dollars to do this.

    Now, the US, India, Russia, Canada, Indonesia, Japan, and the Europeans have started programs to develop MSR technologies. These reactors require a much smaller footprint than current uranium reactors, don’t require a high-pressure dome, can be made in a factory and delivered to its working site. They are also scalable.

    From portable military generators of electricity, water, and synthetic fuels. To naval applications on warships, submarines, and merchant ships, to bigger sizes that can be used on the grid. They can be installed underground. Projections say they will create electrical energy comparable to coal, maybe even lower if the technology takes off.

    Nobody is scared, except maybe the general public who was made scared of nuclear because of accidents like Chernobyl and Fukushima. The reality is the accidental death rate from nuclear is far lower than coal, gas, and oil.


    False experts gave testimony that nuclear was dangerous and caused death. They have been proven false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Uranium is finite.
    So is Thorium. But we have enough of both to supply our energy needs for at least a millennia with them. We don't have enough rare earths to continue to make PV solar panels that long...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I am asking you.

    Here's an example: you can use ice like a magnifying glass to start a fire. Thus free heat.
    Play your stupid mind games with something else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grajonca View Post
    Play your stupid mind games with something else!
    What mind game? I am simply stating that you can create machines with bare minimum to get free energy. Windmills and waterwheels for examples. If you build your own waterwheel, you can generate electricity for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    What mind game? I am simply stating that you can create machines with bare minimum to get free energy. Windmills and waterwheels for examples. If you build your own waterwheel, you can generate electricity for free.
    You need the right location to do it though... And, there are strict limits to how much power you can produce using those methods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    You need the right location to do it though... And, there are strict limits to how much power you can produce using those methods.
    That right there is the whole problem with people on this. They do not understand there are limits. They think it is limitless. Like the air inside AOC's head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    You need the right location to do it though... And, there are strict limits to how much power you can produce using those methods.
    I have a joke for you. How do you keep your home powered by electricity for free while keeping your home safe during zombie apocalypse? Put treadmills around your home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I have a joke for you. How do you keep your home powered by electricity for free while keeping your home safe during zombie apocalypse? Put treadmills around your home.
    I am ashamed to say I got that! Lol!

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    Consider the waterwheel...

    Are you using an overshot wheel, an undershot wheel, or some form of turbine as the wheel? What's the net drop in height of your water and its velocity when it impacts the wheel? What volume of water are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    I have a joke for you. How do you keep your home powered by electricity for free while keeping your home safe during zombie apocalypse? Put treadmills around your home.
    Unless you are a Right wing neo-Nazi then you install ovens...

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