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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperStringTheory View Post
    See the various AUMFs, section 1182(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) and numerous other acts congress has passed enabling the President to act on his own.
    Only under the direction of Congress in these areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Yes--Congress has delegated much of its authority to the president: trade agreements, emergency actions, etc.
    Congress has no authority over trade agreements. The President has that authority. He also has the authority to handle several emergency actions. See articles I and II of the Constitution of the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Congress has no authority over trade agreements. The President has that authority. He also has the authority to handle several emergency actions. See articles I and II of the Constitution of the United States.
    The president was delegated those powers by Congress and those laws are what is cited by the president when exercising those powers.

    What constitutional provision(s) give the president authority over trade (other than negotiating treaties)?

    "The United States Constitution gives Congress the power to impose and collect taxes,tariffs,duties, and the like, and to regulate international commerce. While the Constitution gives the President authority to negotiate international agreements, it assigns him no specific power over international commerce and trade.Through legislation,however, Congress may delegate some of its power to the President, such as the power to modify tariffs under certain circumstances.Thus, because the President does not possess express constitutional authority to modify tariffs, he must find authority for tariff-related action in statute."

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44707.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The president was delegated those powers by Congress and those laws are what is cited by the president when exercising those powers.

    What constitutional provision(s) give the president authority over trade (other than negotiating treaties)?

    "The United States Constitution gives Congress the power to impose and collect taxes,tariffs,duties, and the like, and to regulate international commerce. While the Constitution gives the President authority to negotiate international agreements, it assigns him no specific power over international commerce and trade.Through legislation,however, Congress may delegate some of its power to the President, such as the power to modify tariffs under certain circumstances.Thus, because the President does not possess express constitutional authority to modify tariffs, he must find authority for tariff-related action in statute."

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44707.pdf
    But it takes Congress approval to pass the yearly budget bill as to what the monies are to be allocated & items to be spent on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltydancin View Post
    But it takes Congress approval to pass the yearly budget bill as to what the monies are to be allocated & items to be spent on.
    Many of those items do not require specific new spending (imposing tariffs, making trade deals). The legislation delegating those powers often includes any necessary funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Nope. That requires a Constitutional amendment. Congress can't change the Constitution. Only the States can.
    I might be wrong, but i'm thinking that SST is talking about congressional acts that give the president power to do stuff that congress is supposed to do, usually because they are too lazy or terrified to be responsible
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Many of those items do not require specific new spending (imposing tariffs, making trade deals). The legislation delegating those powers often includes any necessary funding.
    No doubt SCOTUS has all necessary funding from Congress passing the yearly budget at an actuary tables percentage to offset more than 24 US Constitutions purchased at the National Archives, which were in all probability stolen & burned to maintain their national religion master race of Christiananality pedophilia "serve the Pope or die" from Islam "death to the infidels" master plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The president was delegated those powers by Congress and those laws are what is cited by the president when exercising those powers.
    Congress has no such authority.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    What constitutional provision(s) give the president authority over trade (other than negotiating treaties)?
    Article II.
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    "The United States Constitution gives Congress the power to impose and collect taxes,tariffs,duties, and the like, and to regulate international commerce. While the Constitution gives the President authority to negotiate international agreements, it assigns him no specific power over international commerce and trade.Through legislation,however, Congress may delegate some of its power to the President, such as the power to modify tariffs under certain circumstances.Thus, because the President does not possess express constitutional authority to modify tariffs, he must find authority for tariff-related action in statute."
    Tariffs were imposed by Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Many of those items do not require specific new spending (imposing tariffs, making trade deals). The legislation delegating those powers often includes any necessary funding.
    Seems those crooks on Capital Hill, SCOTUS & their national religion lynching enforcement is perpetually funded to remain way too lily brilliant white Christiananlity pedophilia organized crime as thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament - absentee voting ballots arsonists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Tariffs were imposed by Congress.
    There were no bills introduced in Congress for Trump's tariffs.

    "Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution: "Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises." But Congress has repeatedly shifted its powers regarding tariffs to the president.[52] Beginning in 1917 with the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 the president can impose any tariff while the nation is at war. The affected trade does not have to be connected to the ongoing war. Since 1974 the Trade Act of 1974 allows the president to impose a 15% tariff for 150 days if there is "an adverse impact on national security from imports." After 150 days the tariff expires unless extended by Congress. In 1977 the International Emergency Economic Powers Act shifted powers even more towards the White House. The Trump administration claims that it gives the President the authority to raise tariffs without any limits during a national emergency of any kind. Legal scholars disagree because the IEEPA does not mention tariffs at all and transfers no authority of tariffs towards the President."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_tariffs

    "In early 2018 President Trump imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. This law states that the president can raise tariffs on imports that pose a threat to national security. Section 232 allows the President to implement these tariffs without the approval of Congress, following an investigation by the Department of Commerce. The Commerce Department has noted that threats to national security may include “fostering U.S. dependence on unreliable or unsafe imports” or “fundamentally threatening the ability of U.S. domestic industries to satisfy national security needs.”1 However, there are many members of Congress on both sides of the aisle who would like to rein in the President’s ability to unilaterally impose tariffs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Congress has no such authority.

    Article II.

    Tariffs were imposed by Congress.
    That only matters if the president does not usurp those powers. Trump did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    There were no bills introduced in Congress for Trump's tariffs.

    "Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution: "Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises." But Congress has repeatedly shifted its powers regarding tariffs to the president.[52] Beginning in 1917 with the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917 the president can impose any tariff while the nation is at war. The affected trade does not have to be connected to the ongoing war. Since 1974 the Trade Act of 1974 allows the president to impose a 15% tariff for 150 days if there is "an adverse impact on national security from imports." After 150 days the tariff expires unless extended by Congress. In 1977 the International Emergency Economic Powers Act shifted powers even more towards the White House. The Trump administration claims that it gives the President the authority to raise tariffs without any limits during a national emergency of any kind. Legal scholars disagree because the IEEPA does not mention tariffs at all and transfers no authority of tariffs towards the President."

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    "In early 2018 President Trump imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. This law states that the president can raise tariffs on imports that pose a threat to national security. Section 232 allows the President to implement these tariffs without the approval of Congress, following an investigation by the Department of Commerce. The Commerce Department has noted that threats to national security may include “fostering U.S. dependence on unreliable or unsafe imports” or “fundamentally threatening the ability of U.S. domestic industries to satisfy national security needs.”1 However, there are many members of Congress on both sides of the aisle who would like to rein in the President’s ability to unilaterally impose tariffs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    That only matters if the president does not usurp those powers. Trump did.
    No, he didn't liar.
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