cancel2 2022 (10-27-2020), ExpressLane (10-28-2020)
”In Wisconsin decision, Supreme Court foreshadows election night cliffhanger”
“Those States want to avoid the chaos and suspicions of impropriety that can ensue if thousands of absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results of an election,” Kavanaughwrote in a concurring opinion released Monday night. “And those States also want to be able to definitively announce the results of the election on election night, or as soon as possible thereafter.”
“Justice Elena Kagan used her dissenting opinion in the Wisconsin case”
“Justice Kavanaugh alleges that ‘suspicions of impropriety’ will result if ‘absentee ballots flow in after election day and potentially flip the results of an election,’” Kagan wrote, joined by Justices Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor.“
“But there are no results to ‘flip’ until all valid votes are counted. And nothing could be more ‘suspicio[us]’ or ‘improp[er]’ than refusing to tally votes once the clock strikes 12 on election night. To suggest otherwise, especially in these fractious times, is to disserve the electoral process.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...fhanger-432725
Now who is the one politician out there raising fears regarding mail in voting and wants the election called election night? And here we have Beer Ball mirroring those beliefs, makes you wonder if Beer Ball also took that secret twilight Uber to the White House that has become so popular with conservatives
Got to love Kagan’s reply, how can you flip an election that hasn’t been decided till all the votes are counted?
cancel2 2022 (10-27-2020), ExpressLane (10-28-2020)
CharacterAssassin (10-27-2020), Guno צְבִי (10-27-2020), PoliTalker (10-29-2020), ThatOwlWoman (10-27-2020)
Kagen, in her dissent said.....however, this ignores the fact that votes cast AFTER the election is over are not valid votes......the Wisconsin case overturned a lower court's decision that the state should count votes REGARDLESS OF WHEN THEY WERE POSTMARKED........But there are no results to ‘flip’ until all valid votes are counted.
think about that for a minute.......is a vote that is cast after an election is over a valid vote?.....
Isaiah 6:5
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
I agree, a vote cast after election day should not count. But of course that has NOTHING to do with this decision. It isn't when the vote is cast (which is the act of filling out and signing a ballot and dropping it in the mail) it's about when it's RECEIVED. Let's flip the script. If a vote is legitimately cast before election day, what is the rationale for not counting it? You don't have one. I take that back, you DO have a rationale. You want to suppress the vote.
Jerome (10-29-2020), ThatOwlWoman (10-27-2020)
That is not true:
“The Supreme Court on Monday night voted against reinstating an order by a Wisconsin federal court judge that said absentee ballots could be counted if received within six days after the election as long as they were postmarked by Election Day. The final vote was 5-3.”
Beer Ball is saying all the ballots should be received by Election Day, meaning if the PO screws up, and we all do remember Trump’s man f*xking up the PO, those ballots mailed say two days before that don’t reach by Election Day are thrown out, meaning, all the votes will not be counted.
And his adding the Trump line that elections should be known Election Day night couldn’t be any more obvious as to where he got his directions
Phantasmal (10-29-2020)
Seriously? Votes received after election day results are reported can easily be an attempt to overturn actual election results, suddenly "finding" ballots in the trunks of cars, in basements, in the back seat of the neighbors creepy van...
Elections do not last forever, and you don't get to keep voting after results have been determined just because you didn't like the result and want new "votes" to overturn the result.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
dukkha (10-27-2020), gfm7175 (10-28-2020), Matt Dillon (10-27-2020)
Phantasmal (10-29-2020), PoliTalker (10-29-2020)
A lot of people are waiting until voting day to vote in person to help protect the integrity of the election.
I'm voting tomorrow. Just in case something happens.
Again, not true, especially given the number of Americans voting by mail this year
Election results aren’t confirmed until the individual States confirm them, which has never been on Election Day. We are used to TV “calling” The election the night of the election, but this was never the custom prior to recent times, elections were never official right after Election Day.
Wisconsin only wanted six days after Election Day to add those ballot that were post marked on Election Day, a legitimate consideration.
Beer Ball said no that only those ballots received on or before Election Day should count, meaning those technically voting the day before or on Election Day via mail were screwed, their vote wouldn’t count. And Beer Ball’s rationale, people knew to know quickly who won the election, sound sad lot like his master’s complaint
Jerome (10-29-2020), Phantasmal (10-29-2020), PoliTalker (10-29-2020), ThatOwlWoman (10-28-2020)
Trump has installed Republican operatives in the Supreme Court. They are his plan B. If he loses or it is close, he can count on a favorable decision from them. That is all he cared about. He picked the ones the Federalist Society said would back him. The other reasons the society has, he does not care about. He knows nothing of how they ruled in the past. Trump's first question is about loyalty. You know Barrett pledged it.
PoliTalker (10-29-2020)
And again. True. Pretending that folks will not question the veracity of "found" votes and votes received after the deadline suddenly changing results is just that... Pretense. It's an absurdity to believe that nobody will question that.
At some point an election ends and you do not get to keep "finding" votes, even if you really hate the person who won. (And yes, this works both ways).
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
Isaiah 6:5
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
Isaiah 6:5
“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”
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