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    Default Why should we let votes overturn an election? Because that is what an election is?

    Kavanaugh asked a question in a recent decision, why should we let votes overturn an election? The answer is because elections are decided by votes, not what Kavanaugh wants the results to be.

    In particular, Kavanaugh complained that votes counted after midnight might change the results. No where did he come up with any proof that votes counted after midnight were worse than votes counted before midnight. Just that he wanted the right to cut short the count, if trump is winning. But what if trump is losing, then he wanted the votes to count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Kavanaugh asked a question in a recent decision, why should we let votes overturn an election? The answer is because elections are decided by votes, not what Kavanaugh wants the results to be.

    In particular, Kavanaugh complained that votes counted after midnight might change the results. No where did he come up with any proof that votes counted after midnight were worse than votes counted before midnight. Just that he wanted the right to cut short the count, if trump is winning. But what if trump is losing, then he wanted the votes to count.
    Do you feel that the country hasn't been given sufficient time and resources to vote in a timely manner? What's with the "trickle in" votes ? But hey.... Let's give everyone until Christmas to get them in...and offer those who've already cast a ballot the opportunity for a redo...many are coming to their senses.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Do you feel that the country hasn't been given sufficient time and resources to vote in a timely manner?
    Counting the vote was supposed to take until December 15th. That is over a month, and is enough time. We have gotten used to estimating the outcome by midnight, but that is not a legal or constitutional requirement. The midnight deadline is made up by Kavanaugh out of nothing.

    There is no midnight deadline.

    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    What's with the "trickle in" votes?
    It used to be much worse. Votes would take weeks to count. They would take weeks to even transport the tallies. If the Founding Fathers had heard Kavanaugh's midnight deadline, they would have laughed. They simply did not have the technology to count an entire state's votes by midnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Counting the vote was supposed to take until December 15th. That is over a month, and is enough time. We have gotten used to estimating the outcome by midnight, but that is not a legal or constitutional requirement. The midnight deadline is made up by Kavanaugh out of nothing.

    There is no midnight deadline.



    It used to be much worse. Votes would take weeks to count. They would take weeks to even transport the tallies. If the Founding Fathers had heard Kavanaugh's midnight deadline, they would have laughed. They simply did not have the technology to count an entire state's votes by midnight.
    So, no answer to my questions/comments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    So, no answer to my questions/comments?
    I gave you a long answer, but the short answer is midnight has never been the deadline. Kavanaugh is inventing laws that specifically never existed. The deadline is December 15th.

    Here is my longer answer, again.
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    Do you feel that the country hasn't been given sufficient time and resources to vote in a timely manner?
    Counting the vote was supposed to take until December 15th. That is over a month, and is enough time. We have gotten used to estimating the outcome by midnight, but that is not a legal or constitutional requirement. The midnight deadline is made up by Kavanaugh out of nothing.

    There is no midnight deadline.

    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    What's with the "trickle in" votes ?
    It used to be much worse. Votes would take weeks to count. They would take weeks to even transport the tallies. If the Founding Fathers had heard Kavanaugh's midnight deadline, they would have laughed. They simply did not have the technology to count an entire state's votes by midnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    I gave you a long answer, but the short answer is midnight has never been the deadline. Kavanaugh is inventing laws that specifically never existed. The deadline is December 15th.

    Here is my longer answer, again.
    No, you didn't answer the questions...no problem...have a great, safe day..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    So, no answer to my questions/comments?
    Walt is a nut....LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
    Walt is a nut....LOL
    He really is

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    He really is
    It must be hard on him working EIGHT full time jobs and owning 17 companies. He probably hasnt slept in 12 years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    Do you feel that the country hasn't been given sufficient time and resources to vote in a timely manner? What's with the "trickle in" votes ? But hey.... Let's give everyone until Christmas to get them in...and offer those who've already cast a ballot the opportunity for a redo...many are coming to their senses.....
    This isn't the problem. States do not count votes that are mailed late, only ballots that are late because of backlogs and postal delays. Kavanaugh ignored the country's long history of tabulating votes days and even weeks (e.g. 1876) after "election night". The overriding value in all this is respecting the will of the people. Kavanaugh would trash that value. The consequences from that would be dire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOP View Post
    No, you didn't answer the questions...no problem...have a great, safe day..
    It doesn't matter. There is no legal requirement to have votes counted by midnight of election day. In the past, counting the votes took weeks. This is why the Founding Fathers made Inauguration Day months after election day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    This isn't the problem. States do not count votes that are mailed late, only ballots that are late because of backlogs and postal delays. Kavanaugh ignored the country's long history of tabulating votes days and even weeks (e.g. 1876) after "election night". The overriding value in all this is respecting the will of the people. Kavanaugh would trash that value. The consequences from that would be dire.
    Voters have had More than ample time to caste votes by mail....the will of the people has been completely respected....
    There's no need or excuse to mail in a vote on election day...

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    why do the demmycrats want people to be able to vote after the election is over.......do they not understand the concept of "over".........wait, I take back the question.......they still haven't figured out that the election of 2016 is over......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    It doesn't matter. There is no legal requirement to have votes counted by midnight of election day. In the past, counting the votes took weeks. This is why the Founding Fathers made Inauguration Day months after election day.
    You still didn't answer the questions
    I say they take all the time they need to count votes cast properly....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Counting the vote was supposed to take until December 15th. That is over a month, and is enough time. We have gotten used to estimating the outcome by midnight, but that is not a legal or constitutional requirement. The midnight deadline is made up by Kavanaugh out of nothing.

    There is no midnight deadline.



    It used to be much worse. Votes would take weeks to count. They would take weeks to even transport the tallies. If the Founding Fathers had heard Kavanaugh's midnight deadline, they would have laughed. They simply did not have the technology to count an entire state's votes by midnight.
    Where does the Constitution say counting is supposed to take until December 15th? The Constitution says Congress shall determine the time of choosing electors and on the day they vote. Nothing about votes still being counted until 12/15.

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