There is no evidence of herd immunity soon

[Trumpet]

Dont care. Survival of the fittest. Had it (never knew it until tested for the antibodies out of curiosity) , now immune to that strain at least. Humanity will come out stronger and more robust. You pussies can die.

If it's survival of the fittest, what make you so sure that you're going to survive???????????????????

[Darth Omar]

You do not like one possible solution, so you demand we ignore the problem. That does not make much sense.

The problem is we are no where near herd immunity, and there may never be herd immunity. There are a number of possible solutions that we should look into. They all require work. Sadly, trump hates work.

In short, hoping for a work free solution has not worked, so now we have to start working on a real solution.

We won’t know how near/far we are from herd immunity until we have some *hard science* on the percentage of population that has conferred immunity and/or natural immunity. The latter figure is consistently left out of any HE estimates I’ve seen.

*For whatever reasons* there’s a sizeable segment of the population that is innately immune to the WuFlu. They either don’t get it all or they have such mild symptoms they get it, recover, and become immune.

They need to be added to HE number.

[Walt]

We won’t know how near/far we are from herd immunity until we have some *hard science* on the percentage of population that has conferred immunity and/or natural immunity. The latter figure is consistently left out of any HE estimates I’ve seen.

Sort of. We do not know how far we are from herd immunity, or if it will ever happen. We do know we are not close. If we were close, we would see rapidly reducing numbers of cases, which we are not seeing. Outbreaks would be burning themselves out, when the opposite is happening.

*For whatever reasons* there’s a sizeable segment of the population that is innately immune to the WuFlu. They either don’t get it all or they have such mild symptoms they get it, recover, and become immune.

Light symptoms is not immunity, it is light symptoms. There are only light symptoms to initial HIV infection, but that is very different from being immune to AIDS.

[RB 60]

he uses the 'throw spaghetti on the wall' writing style. throw enough of it and some of it will stick

Yep. Pan and all. He's just too stupid to drain the boiling water.

[dukkha]

We literally do not know. Maybe almost everyone will be reinfected every year or two... Or maybe not. Covid-19 has been studied for less than a year.

of course we know the reinfection rate. it's miniscule
and by reinfection I mean symptomatic -you might test positive, but the B memory cells which go after any pathogens. They remember the same pathogen for faster antibody production in future infections.
again if this were not the case we'd be seeing most everyone being reinfected

A normal vaccine phase 3 trial has a 20% chance of success. These are mostly exotic vaccines, so assumably lower chance.

wtf is an exotic vaccine?
COVID is novel virus -but the same type of R&D is used as any other vaccine. 6 are in limited approval afer phase 3 trials

Or put another way, the first phase 3 trial for the HIV vaccine was 34 years ago... And still no HIV vaccine.

HIV has a different protein coating that "masks" itself from the immune system
SARS virus do not

There has only been one Covid-19 vaccine ever approved in any country, and that was in Russia. It had gone through no clinical trials, and is basically a joke(not a funny joke). So you recall incorrectly.

the UK has approved it - "preparing to roll it out"

Some vaccines are proving to be somewhat effective, but none have been very effective yet, and we have no way to know the length of the immunity.

6 are in limited approval -they are "very effective"
again your knowledge of the immune system is child like - immunity doesn't depend on active antibodies

Many vaccines need booster shots, because immunity fades. The major ones last for a lifetime, but there is no promise that Covid-19 will be like polio. It might be like tetanus, and fade.

tedious repetitous crap - trying to compare a virus to a bacteria (tetanus)

Regeneron is a company, not a drug. There is one Regeneron. It produces REGN-COV2. It is hoped that REGN-COV2 will be effective both in therapeutic and preventative doses, but nothing has been proven yet. They are hoping to have 300k doses by early 2021, but do not have them yet. They are manufacturing doses of an untested drug, so that if it does work, they will be able to use them quickly.

I know its a company I forgot the name of the polyclonal cocktail.'
It WAS APPROVED last week by the FDA as far as I know th 300k are already manufactured

It appears to have serious side effects, so might need serious contact tracing to be used preventatively.

bullshit. and it's not a drug, and it's not prophylaxis, and there are virtually no side effects
because it's antibodies

[moon]

No what I want is the country back to normal. The death rate is minimal. There never have been shortages of ICU beds or medical supplies it's all been a fabricated pile of bullshit

You are seriously deluded. It's not an opinion, in your case it's a health issue.

[dukkha]

Yep. Pan and all. He's just too stupid to drain the boiling water.

you have to wade thru the bullshit to respond to the dude

[Iolo/Penderyn]

An article in the current New Scientist is very dismissive of 'herd immunity': they tend to know what they are talking about.

[dukkha]

An article in the current New Scientist is very dismissive of 'herd immunity' the tend to know what they are talking about.

I read it. its specious. it's making some claim that individual immunity doesn't stop transmission to others.
But if the person exposed HAS individual immunity -how can he get it?

[Iolo/Penderyn]

I read it. its specious. it's making some claim that individual immunity doesn't stop transmission to others.
But if the person exposed HAS individual immunity -how can he get it?

He can't get it for a month or two, but he can certainly pass it on.

[Concart]

I guess two million or so dead is okay with some here. Go figure.

[cancel2 2022]

An article in the current New Scientist is very dismissive of 'herd immunity': they tend to know what they are talking about.

Why don't you post it then?

Covid-19 news: Oxford vaccine produces immune response in older people
The latest coronavirus news updated every day including coronavirus cases, the latest news, features and interviews from New Scientist and essential information about the covid-19 pandemic

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article...#ixzz6c4js8esq

[Evmetro]

Herd immunity is often talked about. The problem is it is not well understood. We cannot allow diseases to go unchecked as an experiment, so we are left estimating the effects of herd immunity. This creates uncertainty, an uncertainty you apparently cannot deal with.

Herd immunity is very important to the pro-vaccine argument. The anti-vaxxers argue that it should be everyone's personal choice whether he or she wants to get vaccinated. The experts respond that will leave gaps in herd immunity, and could kill people who did not get to choose. With contagious diseases, your mistakes can kill me.

We have no choice but to accept herd immunity. Masks, social distancing, and other steps in attempt to interfere with the spread of the virus are like wearing long sleeves and sunglasses for a nuclear blast. Mother nature is going to have her way, and coronavirus will run its course. We can't stop inevitable herd immunity.

[BartenderElite]

People can get it twice.

The herd immunity hope is ghoulish and unscientific.

[katzgar]

Herd immunity is not something that we are allowed to know about, the experts will not talk honestly about it, and the Tech Overlords will continue to do their best to make sure that all internet droppings conform to the story that power wants told regardless of what the reality is.

The West is rapidly dying.

you are a liar. Many experts describe herd immunity as mass murder