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    The only herd immunity we are close to is this:

    People 'heard' things on Fox; so they are now 'immune' to facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    It isn't an excuse. It's a fact. 40% poverty. Covid running amok in the slums. Try again.

    https://www.france24.com/en/video/20...f-buenos-aires
    Should someone tell them their lockdown is pointless lol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    The only herd immunity we are close to is this:

    People 'heard' things on Fox; so they are now 'immune' to facts.
    Well, the facts are these: Herd immunity is a thing; herd immunity has yet to be ruled out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Should someone tell them their lockdown is pointless lol?
    It isn't. There IS no lockdown in the slums, and given the poverty rate, this outbreak was inevitable. Is this really that hard for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Well, the facts are these: Herd immunity is a thing; herd immunity has yet to be ruled out.
    Yes it has been. Except by Scott Atlas. Remind me again what he does? Oh yeah, RADIOLOGIST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Yes it has been. Except by Scott Atlas. Remind me again what he does? Oh yeah, RADIOLOGIST.
    Remind me again what you do lol.

    Meanwhile, point me to the peer reviewed study that categorically eliminates COVID herd immunity.

    I’ll wait here. Take your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    It isn't. There IS no lockdown in the slums, and given the poverty rate, this outbreak was inevitable. Is this really that hard for you?
    Poverty has zero to with catching WuFlu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The Alt Right claims that we are on the verge of herd immunity, or even that we have herd immunity. If that were true, we would see drastically dropping numbers of cases, we are seeing the opposite. Europe is seeing a second wave, America is seeing a third surge, and every country seems easily susceptible to a new outbreak.

    Being on the verge of herd immunity was a logical hypothesis, but it has been disproven. We are nowhere near herd immunity. And we do not know why. It appears you can get Covid-19 multiple times, which might be the reason. Also it appears that a mild case of Covid-19 does not setoff a strong immunity reaction, and that additional infections can be cumulative. This means that the second, or third time you get it might do more serious harm than the first time. Or maybe just far fewer people have gotten the disease than we first thought (and thus the disease is far more deadly).

    trump's whole policy was maybe he would get lucky. There used to be a chance of that, but right now there is looking to be no chance of that. Now we have to regret no attempt to put a contact tracing system into effect, and no quarantining of the spread of Covid-19.
    THERE IS IRREFUTABLE PROOF THAT COVID ONLY EFFECTS LESS THAN 1% OF US....REGARDLESS OF THE "CASES"...
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


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    Herd immunity happens with vaccinations, not with everybody catching it... Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Herd immunity is often talked about. The problem is it is not well understood. We cannot allow diseases to go unchecked as an experiment, so we are left estimating the effects of herd immunity. This creates uncertainty, an uncertainty you apparently cannot deal with.

    Herd immunity is very important to the pro-vaccine argument. The anti-vaxxers argue that it should be everyone's personal choice whether he or she wants to get vaccinated. The experts respond that will leave gaps in herd immunity, and could kill people who did not get to choose. With contagious diseases, your mistakes can kill me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Herd immunity happens with vaccinations, not with everybody catching it... Just sayin'.
    Well, vaccinations facilitate it.

    All herd immunity means is enough individuals in a population are immune such that it disrupts the chain of infection; virus runs out of hosts and the epidemic recedes.

    Note that it may not totally disappear. It just ceases to be an epidemic.

    My point is that the segment of our population that has a *natural immunity* to COVID should be added to the number of individuals that have acquired immunity via infection. All the virus ‘knows‘ is an individual is either a host for infection—or it isn’t.

    Ted Cruz tried to pin Fauci down on this very question and it was like watching him trying to nail Jello to the wall.

    I have yet to see anyone provide a good answer for it—beyond appeals to authority.
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    Hello moon,

    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    Issued today, a fresh European survey has determined that immunity is short-lived. It may well be that vaccination, when possible, should be regularly repeated.
    We're going to need international co-operation and different life-styles.
    International cooperation?

    Not likely.

    We can't even get national cooperation.

    Go to the market early, just so it won't be very crowded, and even then with all the space in the world people don't even try to distance. They get right next to one another to hunt for that one item they simply must have that instant.

    Shoulder to shoulder may as well be COVID to COVID.

    This never should have become political.

    This is biology. Keeping distance is imperative in preventing transmission. The bug doesn't care who's running for president.

    Shame on Donald for making this political.

    Why couldn't he just do his job and be a leader?

    We *SO* need a real leader.
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    I just ran a little math.

    The world death rate from confirmed cases of coronavirus is officially 3%.

    There are 331,000,000 people in the USA.

    If the infection rate reached 100%, then 3% of the USA population would be expected to die.

    .03 * 331,000,000 = 9,930,000 people. Almost 10 million Americans.

    But the theory is that through herd immunity we would never reach 100% infection rate.

    If predictions are correct, herd immunity would be reached between 50% and 67% of the population.

    That could give the disease nowhere to go and it would largely die out.

    That would be from .5 * 331,000,000 = 165,500,000 to .67 * 331,000,000 = 221,770,000 people.

    And the numbers of dead would be expected to be from .03 * 165,500,000 = 4,965,000 to .03 * 221,770,000 = 6,653,100 people.

    If this is correct, we would not expect to see herd immunity until the number of dead Americans reaches between 4,965,000 to 6,653,100 people.

    Do we have to have 5 million dead Americans before we can reach herd immunity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Remind me again what you do lol.

    Meanwhile, point me to the peer reviewed study that categorically eliminates COVID herd immunity.

    I’ll wait here. Take your time.
    Supposedly he has his masters in economics. That he never used (that is his excuse anyway). What kind of "economic" genius pays for all that college and does use it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor View Post
    Supposedly he has his masters in economics. That he never used (that is his excuse anyway). What kind of "economic" genius pays for all that college and does use it?
    Hard to say.

    This is the interweb—he could be a pot scrubber lol.
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